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Twitter is now banning clearly marked parody accounts that are completely in compliance with the terms of service.

From "free speech" to complete intolerance of criticism in 10 days.
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From https://twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status/15 ... 7998407680

The spectacular clown show of Elon’s first ten days at Twitter:
• Blue ticks for $8, within the week!
• We’ll verify ID though
• Actually we won’t
• We’ll add an extra mark for some notable accounts
• Maybe more than a week
• Here’s the official mark
• We’ve scrapped it
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https://twitter.com/lopezlinette/status ... A6ZRXTS3mQ
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Lots of examples. The first reminds me of the Ford Pinto punitive damages case study we were told about at university
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Apparently Musk has decided to pivot to his first idea, and filed to make Twitter an online payments system.

You know, his first idea that he made all his money on when Peter Thiel took it over, and replaced all of Musk's ideas with Thiel's ideas.
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Trump back on twitter!!

Blue tick so definitely real.

https://twitter.com/DonTrumpReaI/status ... 9686450177
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This is interesting...

https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/159 ... qjH2g&s=19

Twitter is under a consent decree with the FTC about the consumer information security of its new product offerings.

Facebook got fined $5 billion for violating a sort of similar decree.
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Lol, a hell of a lot of people are paying $8 for an evening of entertainment. Fake a famous ID, play it for laughs, eventually get banned by twitter.

The next stage will be to pay $8 for a quick scam. Crash a stock, pump a stock, raid a bitcoin wallet.

As I said before, it depends on what twitter choose. And they've chosen to allow someone with a credit card in the name Hillary Clinton to register a variant of the name Donald Trump. Unbelievably stupid.
lpm wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:36 pm
bjn wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:43 pm From what I understand you can just buy a blue tick without having to prove your identity. Which is rather going against the original purpose.
But you need a credit card.

So it depends if twitter lets you use a credit card in the name Hillary Clinton to buy racistDonaldTrump. Or if you can only buy a name that matches your credit card name.
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lpm wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:27 pm Lol, a hell of a lot of people are paying $8 for an evening of entertainment. Fake a famous ID, play it for laughs, eventually get banned by twitter.

The next stage will be to pay $8 for a quick scam. Crash a stock, pump a stock, raid a bitcoin wallet.

As I said before, it depends on what twitter choose. And they've chosen to allow someone with a credit card in the name Hillary Clinton to register a variant of the name Donald Trump. Unbelievably stupid.
lpm wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:36 pm
bjn wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:43 pm From what I understand you can just buy a blue tick without having to prove your identity. Which is rather going against the original purpose.
But you need a credit card.

So it depends if twitter lets you use a credit card in the name Hillary Clinton to buy racistDonaldTrump. Or if you can only buy a name that matches your credit card name.
Example here.

https://twitter.com/meemalee/status/159 ... S7wJ-uSKBw

Yes you can see the difference between the scam and the genuine one if you click on the tick, but the scam account is older than the genuine one, just renamed
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The way to profit from this is to establish fake entities of a group of trusted people. For example, all Telegraph journalists.

"Fraser Nelson" then posts that the Barclay Brothers are launching a bitcoin investment fund and for one hour only are giving free bitcoin to all Telegraph readers and supporters. "Allison Pearson" then endorses the message. The entire group talk about it, support it, cross-post. Get a bunch of stooge accounts to describe how they've taken up the offer and they're now rich. A few suckers be caught.

For $800 you could make this look plausible. Twitter deletes the fake accounts but the scam will over hours or even days by that time.

Or if you don't want money, make it political. On election day all those Telegraph journalists suddenly start posting that Keir Starmer has been arrested for sexual assault.
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lpm wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:47 am The way to profit from this is to establish fake entities of a group of trusted people. For example, all Telegraph journalists.

"Fraser Nelson" then posts that the Barclay Brothers are launching a bitcoin investment fund and for one hour only are giving free bitcoin to all Telegraph readers and supporters. "Allison Pearson" then endorses the message. The entire group talk about it, support it, cross-post. Get a bunch of stooge accounts to describe how they've taken up the offer and they're now rich. A few suckers be caught.

For $800 you could make this look plausible. Twitter deletes the fake accounts but the scam will over hours or even days by that time.

Or if you don't want money, make it political. On election day all those Telegraph journalists suddenly start posting that Keir Starmer has been arrested for sexual assault.
One of us doing that would still reach very few people as the "Fraser Nelson" account would have very few followers.

But combined with a network of thousands of fake accounts to retweet to real people it could get a lot of attention.
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Twitter troll farms are a mature industry - if scammers can't orchestra the retweets (and push the scam into Facebook, Instagram etc) then they don't deserve the ill-gotten gains.

I think normal people, plus Elon Musk, don't appreciate how much work organised crime is prepared to do. Like magicians - will do enormous preparation to accomplish a minor trick and onlookers are fooled because they can't conceive of all this effort as being the explanation.
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lpm wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:53 am Twitter troll farms are a mature industry - if scammers can't orchestra the retweets (and push the scam into Facebook, Instagram etc) then they don't deserve the ill-gotten gains.

I think normal people, plus Elon Musk, don't appreciate how much work organised crime is prepared to do. Like magicians - will do enormous preparation to accomplish a minor trick and onlookers are fooled because they can't conceive of all this effort as being the explanation.
Certainly, it would be worth it to, say, spend $200 to pay five Bangladeshis to spend all day making a few thousand fake accounts. Most of it can be automated. Then use those accounts to scam 100 people out of $10 each.
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Woodchopper wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:23 pm
lpm wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:53 am Twitter troll farms are a mature industry - if scammers can't orchestra the retweets (and push the scam into Facebook, Instagram etc) then they don't deserve the ill-gotten gains.

I think normal people, plus Elon Musk, don't appreciate how much work organised crime is prepared to do. Like magicians - will do enormous preparation to accomplish a minor trick and onlookers are fooled because they can't conceive of all this effort as being the explanation.
Certainly, it would be worth it to, say, spend $200 to pay five Bangladeshis to spend all day making a few thousand fake accounts. Most of it can be automated. Then use those accounts to scam 100 people out of $10 each.
Or scam one person out of $5000 one time in ten attempts to use those fake accounts to scam thousands of people.

Fake accounts can be used for lots of scam attempts before they get removed entirely.
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dyqik wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:10 pm This is interesting...

https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/159 ... qjH2g&s=19

Twitter is under a consent decree with the FTC about the consumer information security of its new product offerings.

Facebook got fined $5 billion for violating a sort of similar decree.
And it looks like Elmu has decided to play chicken with the FTC, and is actively trying to shift the blame to the engineers who did his bidding.

https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1 ... ee1fLvG49A
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dyqik wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:49 pm
dyqik wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:10 pm This is interesting...

https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/159 ... qjH2g&s=19

Twitter is under a consent decree with the FTC about the consumer information security of its new product offerings.

Facebook got fined $5 billion for violating a sort of similar decree.
And it looks like Elmu has decided to play chicken with the FTC, and is actively trying to shift the blame to the engineers who did his bidding.

https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1 ... ee1fLvG49A
https://twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/ ... 2nBz3qdJkg
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According to messages shared in Twitter Slack, Twitter’s CISO, chief privacy office, and chief compliance officer all resigned last night.

An employee says it will be up to engineers to “self-certify compliance with FTC requirements and other laws.”
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Because engineers make such good lawyers...
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jimbob wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:56 pm
dyqik wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:49 pm
dyqik wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:10 pm This is interesting...

https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/159 ... qjH2g&s=19

Twitter is under a consent decree with the FTC about the consumer information security of its new product offerings.

Facebook got fined $5 billion for violating a sort of similar decree.
And it looks like Elmu has decided to play chicken with the FTC, and is actively trying to shift the blame to the engineers who did his bidding.

https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1 ... ee1fLvG49A
https://twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/ ... 2nBz3qdJkg
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According to messages shared in Twitter Slack, Twitter’s CISO, chief privacy office, and chief compliance officer all resigned last night.

An employee says it will be up to engineers to “self-certify compliance with FTC requirements and other laws.”
3:13 PM · Nov 10, 2022
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Twitter's former outside counsel says that the decree order makes senior execs responsible for compliance.

https://twitter.com/Riana_Crypto/status ... ZQ2jCqLoCA
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jimbob wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:56 pm
dyqik wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:49 pm
dyqik wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:10 pm This is interesting...

https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/159 ... qjH2g&s=19

Twitter is under a consent decree with the FTC about the consumer information security of its new product offerings.

Facebook got fined $5 billion for violating a sort of similar decree.
And it looks like Elmu has decided to play chicken with the FTC, and is actively trying to shift the blame to the engineers who did his bidding.

https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1 ... ee1fLvG49A
https://twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/ ... 2nBz3qdJkg
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According to messages shared in Twitter Slack, Twitter’s CISO, chief privacy office, and chief compliance officer all resigned last night.

An employee says it will be up to engineers to “self-certify compliance with FTC requirements and other laws.”
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As a software engineer, if I was told that, and my company didn't guarantee me against all and any consequences if I f.cked up something I'm not expert in, I'd definitely walk. And even if they did, I'd be looking for new a job ASAP.

As a C level person of my company I'd be yelling at the CEO about how stupid it was.

As I sit on my company's board, I'd be moving to dismiss the CEO.
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bjn wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 7:16 pm
jimbob wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:56 pm
dyqik wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:49 pm

And it looks like Elmu has decided to play chicken with the FTC, and is actively trying to shift the blame to the engineers who did his bidding.

https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1 ... ee1fLvG49A
https://twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/ ... 2nBz3qdJkg
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According to messages shared in Twitter Slack, Twitter’s CISO, chief privacy office, and chief compliance officer all resigned last night.

An employee says it will be up to engineers to “self-certify compliance with FTC requirements and other laws.”
3:13 PM · Nov 10, 2022
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As a software engineer, if I was told that, and my company didn't guarantee me against all and any consequences if I f.cked up something I'm not expert in, I'd definitely walk. And even if they did, I'd be looking for new a job ASAP.
Messing up here with declarations to the FTC comes with Federal criminal charges and potential jail time, as Uber's former chief of security found out recently, and the company cannot indemnify you against that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63157883
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In which case I’d go for constructive dismissal.
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bjn wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:04 pm In which case I’d go for constructive dismissal.
That's roughly what the whistleblower protection stuff in the leaked Slack message was about.
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Amazing how fast it's falling apart.
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