jimbob wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:15 pm
I've never seen someone try so hard to get sacked and fail fo so long.
I'm not sure what Sunak is playing at but it's painful to watch Braverman defying him so happily
Some potential explanations. Not saying they are right.
Her appointment was part of a back-room deal that brought Sunak to power, and he feels the cost of reneging on it is too large. He needs the head-bangers on-side.
IvanV wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:01 pm
Some potential explanations. Not saying they are right.
Her appointment was part of a back-room deal that brought Sunak to power, and he feels the cost of reneging on it is too large. He needs the head-bangers on-side.
Better inside peeing out than outside peeing in.
A useful dead cat to distract from other things.
But she's already inside the tent and pissing there.
IvanV wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:01 pm
Some potential explanations. Not saying they are right.
Her appointment was part of a back-room deal that brought Sunak to power, and he feels the cost of reneging on it is too large. He needs the head-bangers on-side.
Better inside peeing out than outside peeing in.
A useful dead cat to distract from other things.
But she's already inside the tent and pissing there.
And very helpfully shifting focus away from Labour's splits on the crisis
jimbob wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:15 pm
I've never seen someone try so hard to get sacked and fail fo so long.
I'm not sure what Sunak is playing at but it's painful to watch Braverman defying him so happily
Some potential explanations. Not saying they are right.
Her appointment was part of a back-room deal that brought Sunak to power, and he feels the cost of reneging on it is too large. He needs the head-bangers on-side.
Better inside peeing out than outside peeing in.
A useful dead cat to distract from other things.
It wouldn't be "reneging" on any deal given that Braverman is breaking any possible terms of a deal.
And as Opti is saying she is inside the tent pissing in Sunak's tea.
Tessa K wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:15 pm
The PM has expressed his confidence in Braverman. That's usually the kiss of death, isn't it?
In this case, not necessarily.
Usually that is someone trying to hold onto their post and their boss thinking that firing her is not what he wants. This is Sunak being stubborn for some reason and Braverman pushing the boundaries until he bows to the inevitable and fires her.
Tessa K wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:15 pm
The PM has expressed his confidence in Braverman. That's usually the kiss of death, isn't it?
For football managers, yes.
I think it's expected in politics that if you express confidence in someone that they realise they need to pull their head in. I'm not sure if Braverman possesses that degree of rational thought.
"My interest is in the future, because I'm going to spend the rest of my life there"
So she finally got what she wanted, which was to be sacked. In that way she can sit on the back benches claiming the inevitable Tory loss will be nothing to do with her, in fact she will probably say that they lost because they weren’t cruel enough. She will use that to boost her credentials with the party crazies in a post election leadership bid, advocating even more performative cruelty.
bjn wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:29 am
So she finally got what she wanted, which was to be sacked. In that way she can sit on the back benches claiming the inevitable Tory loss will be nothing to do with her, in fact she will probably say that they lost because they weren’t cruel enough. She will use that to boost her credentials with the party crazies in a post election leadership bid, advocating even more performative cruelty.
Yes, looks like positioning to take over what's left of the party after the 2024 Labour landslide.
TopBadger wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:59 am
DC is back... didn't see that one coming.
Yes, Lord Cameron doesn't signal a break from the past.
Sunak is just looking for a reasonably competent and non-bonkers pair of hands to manage foreign policy in the final year before the 2024 Labour landslide.
ETA He's given up, they all have. All that is left to fight for now is another 12 months of all the trappings of office. Being in government is nice.
TopBadger wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:59 am
DC is back... didn't see that one coming.
Yes, Lord Cameron doesn't signal a break from the past.
Sunak is just looking for a reasonably competent and non-bonkers pair of hands to manage foreign policy in the final year before the 2024 Labour landslide.
ETA He's given up, they all have. All that is left to fight for now is another 12 months of all the trappings of office. Being in government is nice.
Yes
Cameron must be good for turning a few more safe seats into marginals
I'm not convinced Cameron will stay in the job till the election. His recent money grabbing exploits have been so dodgy. And the Boris gang hate him and will gleefully help take him down.
lpm wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:21 am
I'm not convinced Cameron will stay in the job till the election. His recent money grabbing exploits have been so dodgy. And the Boris gang hate him and will gleefully help take him down.
Yes, since he resigned as an MP Cameron hasn't had to worry about disclosing any information on his financial affairs. He'll have t do that now, and probably hasn't had time to get rid of all the evidence.
Grumble wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:05 pm
The prospect that Tory infighting will not just continue but possibly get worse and we have another year of this left is so depressing
The country is essentially now a giant tanker, on fire, whilst a group of people fight for control, not realising no one is actually steering as they're so busy fighting.
..hopefully the knives-out infighting will cure his boredom until the election
Suella probably thought she had Sunak over a barrel, but the bottom had obviously been scraped out of it.
I kinda hope she unseats him before the election, so can go down in history not just as the only Home Secretary to be sacked from the job within a year, but also the very shortest-lived PM. This may be her plan - her future in Westminster was looking shaky back in February (https://www.indy100.com/politics/suella ... -safe-seat ), back then the Indy was saying:
If she doesn't make it in the next general election, safet[sic] to say she won't be missed by many.
..and that was before she had been sacked as Home Sec. Twice.
