Getting Brexit done

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by FlammableFlower » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:59 am

Yeah, 'cos the Brexit party would have got a deal with no transition period...

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by GeenDienst » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:37 am

Meanwhile, Barnier's elf-in-chief is warning that those checks on animals moving across the Irish sea are a legal obligation, while our PM is assuring the DUP that they won't happen.

And elsewhere in that live blog, it seems the point of a US trade deal is to have somewhere to send all those cars. Except that it appears we have to roll over for the US tech giants' tax avoidance plans, or there will be tariffs on them.
Just tell 'em I'm broke and don't come round here no more.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Martin Y » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:12 pm

TopBadger wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:43 am
^ Looking forward to the OED extending it's definition of a moron.

Still - apparently we've crossed the Brexit finish line now :roll:
He should get a giant banner saying "Mission Accomplished" for a photo op on one of our aircraft carriers. That could be the defining image of how he got Brexit done.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by TopBadger » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:32 pm

Martin Y wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:12 pm
TopBadger wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:43 am
^ Looking forward to the OED extending it's definition of a moron.

Still - apparently we've crossed the Brexit finish line now :roll:
He should get a giant banner saying "Mission Accomplished" for a photo op on one of our aircraft carriers. That could be the defining image of how he got Brexit done.
I guess it can't hurt to make some use of the carrier before the planes arrive...
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by GeenDienst » Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:35 pm

Bill got royal assent now, and it's law. Doesn't change anything, I know, but it's still sh.t.

IIRC, this also means crashing out at the end of 2020 is also the default in law. Says here it has a clause:
...prohibiting any UK Minister from agreeing to an extension of the transition or implementation period in the Joint Committee (new clause 33)
Just tell 'em I'm broke and don't come round here no more.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Trinucleus » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:19 pm

GeenDienst wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:35 pm
Bill got royal assent now, and it's law. Doesn't change anything, I know, but it's still sh.t.

IIRC, this also means crashing out at the end of 2020 is also the default in law. Says here it has a clause:
...prohibiting any UK Minister from agreeing to an extension of the transition or implementation period in the Joint Committee (new clause 33)
I'll agree it

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:44 pm

Does that not fall foul of "parliament cannot bind itself?"

Would be an interesting constitutional issue, on an alternative timeline where it could actually arise.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Woodchopper » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:55 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:44 pm
Does that not fall foul of "parliament cannot bind itself?"

Would be an interesting constitutional issue, on an alternative timeline where it could actually arise.
Nope, because Parliament could change the law again.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by GeenDienst » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:03 am

I think it's about the executive being bound, rather than parliament, and repealing it it makes it a bigger deal through being a bigger climb down, and thus increases the risk of the crashout.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Gfamily » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:22 am

Nearly done.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by GeenDienst » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:53 am

So where will you be 23:00 on Jan 31? This is like new year's eve, only even more depressing.

Guessing I won't be in Wetherspoons, probably.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Gfamily » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:07 am

GeenDienst wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:53 am
So where will you be 23:00 on Jan 31? This is like new year's eve, only even more depressing.

Guessing I won't be in Wetherspoons, probably.
We'll be in a pub with our astronomy group consoling each other - we did the same on the evening of 24th June 2016.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Gfamily » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:21 pm

What happens next - analysis by Ian Dunt
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/0 ... son-s-trad
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by FlammableFlower » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:48 pm

Oof. The rules of origin stuff is going to be fun...

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by plodder » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:39 pm

Gfamily wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:21 pm
What happens next - analysis by Ian Dunt
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/0 ... son-s-trad
Wow.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by FlammableFlower » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:01 pm

plodder wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:39 pm
Gfamily wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:21 pm
What happens next - analysis by Ian Dunt
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/0 ... son-s-trad
Wow.
Yeah, it's all those bits that return out to be faaaaar more complicated than you realise and have all sorts of knock-on effects. That and the fact that Boris's "easy" NI solution will hang around like nuclear waste.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Pucksoppet » Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:30 pm

The picture in my mind's eye is of Alexander sitting on a tree branch, busily applying a saw to the portion between him and the trunk, with him saying: "I'm making tree-mendous progress!".

But talk of all these difficulties is 'obviously' a remainer defeatist plot.

I feel sorry for all the people whose lives will be made more difficult by Brexit. They have not been served well by the media or parliament and the powerful. I just hope that when they get angry, their ire will be directed at the correct targets.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by JQH » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:30 pm

plodder wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:39 pm
Gfamily wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:21 pm
What happens next - analysis by Ian Dunt
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/0 ... son-s-trad
Wow.
We're even more f.cked than I thought we were.
And remember that if you botch the exit, the carnival of reaction may be coming to a town near you.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by lpm » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:32 pm

...but Johnson revealed in the autumn that he's a terrible negotiator who always folds. He'll agree to the EU's offer then lie about it.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by plodder » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:36 am

lpm wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:32 pm
...but Johnson revealed in the autumn that he's a terrible negotiator who always folds. He'll agree to the EU's offer then lie about it.
Be interesting to see how Cummings copes with that.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by sheldrake » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:39 am

plodder wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:39 pm
Gfamily wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:21 pm
What happens next - analysis by Ian Dunt
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/0 ... son-s-trad
Wow.
The article is hysterical drivel. The writing style is breathlessly adolescent.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by lpm » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:50 am

Hysterical drivel? The writing style breathlessly adolescent? Must have been written by Boris Johnson for The Telegraph.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by sheldrake » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:54 am

lpm wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:50 am
Hysterical drivel? The writing style breathlessly adolescent? Must have been written by Boris Johnson for The Telegraph.
'I know you are but what am I'.

You're better than this LPM.

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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by lpm » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:02 am

You now need to post something that explains why you think it's drivel. Otherwise all you've done is a drive-by ad hom, followed by objecting to a drive-by ad hom.
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Re: Getting Brexit done

Post by Martin Y » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am

sheldrake wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:39 am
The article is hysterical drivel.
Reassure us that stuff will all be fixed by December.
Tell us Top Men are working on it.

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