Fairy muff.tom p wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 3:16 pmwell yes.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 2:57 pmHere's hoping. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some difference between your employer and a shady bargain-basement contractor like Serco though.
I was going to reply to your previous post that *this* isn't what raises questions about the systems they are going to use; the fact that it's SERCO raises such questions!
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But the system that allowed that, also allowed this (when sending out just a newsletter)
Highly sensitive medical information exposed and a £180,000 fine.
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Unless I missed something, 56 dean st is not operated by serco, so no, it didn't. A different system did. Or are you positing that all computers are part of the same system?Gfamily wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 3:56 pmBut the system that allowed that, also allowed this (when sending out just a newsletter)
Highly sensitive medical information exposed and a £180,000 fine.
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tom p wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 10:04 pmUnless I missed something, 56 dean st is not operated by serco, so no, it didn't. A different system did. Or are you positing that all computers are part of the same system?
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ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
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having that swing is a necessary but not sufficient condition for it meaning a thing
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How do you know they use the same email system? Aside from it almost certainly being Outlook?
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I just downloaded and setup the Italian covid-tracking app, "Immuni". It's only live in four regions so far though.
How are you getting on with this in the world-beating UK?
How are you getting on with this in the world-beating UK?
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The UK is a bit behind. Currently using Ceefax for information, but the Isle of Wight is trialing mobile phones that play snake.
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All of these seem perfectly plausible given our governments current abilities...
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I meant to mention here the other day that Australia has successfully used its app to trace a single additional contact that they wouldn't have found otherwise. It's been running for a month and downloaded by a quarter of the population.
I can't remember when I last heard a government spokesperson encourage us to download it, which is a slight change of messaging, given that they originally made the lifting of restrictions contingent on good uptake of the app (with a target of 40%).
In good news, Apple users can now leave it running when they lock their phones, which makes it rather more practical then it was.
I can't remember when I last heard a government spokesperson encourage us to download it, which is a slight change of messaging, given that they originally made the lifting of restrictions contingent on good uptake of the app (with a target of 40%).
In good news, Apple users can now leave it running when they lock their phones, which makes it rather more practical then it was.
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That's better for IoW
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That's good, but the UK isn't proposing that sort of app is it?
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Not much use round here: our resident sparrowhawks will have them! (Yes, the local ones do regularly take pigeons - makes a right mess of our back garden.)
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Yes, that is a flaw in the plan but it was devised by Cummings who states only the number of pigeons that have been sent out.murmur wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:19 amNot much use round here: our resident sparrowhawks will have them! (Yes, the local ones do regularly take pigeons - makes a right mess of our back garden.)
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What went wrong with the UK's app anyway?
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The govt insisted the app used imperial instead of metric, the kids doing the programming didn't have a clue what 2 yards distancing was, and it was set up to detect contact only if a phone was within 2 inches.
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Didn't work on Apple phones. I suspect it'll get to the point where they go with a decentralised version that's actually supported by Apple and Google.
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More info on the app: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-cov ... ct-tracing
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So the UK is proposing that sort of app, it just isn't ready yet.headshot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:03 pmMore info on the app: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-cov ... ct-tracing
There's no mention in that newly-updated wired article of the issue with the app not working in the background on Apple devices (the Italian app requires iOS 13.5, which I think includes an update which allows this to work). Frankly I'm surprised that on Android the Italian app (which has been installed more than 500,000 times so far) isn't running in the notification bar. (It didn't ask for any access to location or anything on install.)
The Italian App requires Android 6, which is more than four years old, although it apparently needs a rather recent version of Google Play Services (which means Huawei users currently cannot install it).
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From what I've read, the UK is proposing a centralised app that will request access to all your contacts etc.shpalman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:42 pmSo the UK is proposing that sort of app, it just isn't ready yet.headshot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:03 pmMore info on the app: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-cov ... ct-tracing
There's no mention in that newly-updated wired article of the issue with the app not working in the background on Apple devices (the Italian app requires iOS 13.5, which I think includes an update which allows this to work). Frankly I'm surprised that on Android the Italian app (which has been installed more than 500,000 times so far) isn't running in the notification bar. (It didn't ask for any access to location or anything on install.)
The Italian App requires Android 6, which is more than four years old, although it apparently needs a rather recent version of Google Play Services (which means Huawei users currently cannot install it).
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That will go down well!
Passing on contact information for people you've actually had physical contact with is one thing. That is something quite different.
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Boris's list of contacts could be interestingbob sterman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:42 pmThat will go down well!
Passing on contact information for people you've actually had physical contact with is one thing. That is something quite different.
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At least on Android, an app can only request access to all your contacts, or none of them. It doesn't necessarily mean that they'll all be sent into a central database. The alternative would require people to manually type or copy-paste contact details accurately.bob sterman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:42 pmThat will go down well!
Passing on contact information for people you've actually had physical contact with is one thing. That is something quite different.
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Is the Google-Apple app working yet?
If so, why is anyone developing their own?
If so, why is anyone developing their own?
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