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Bird on a Fire
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by Bird on a Fire » Fri May 29, 2020 6:38 pm
The Floyd case has put the national spotlight back on Klobuchar’s days as a prosecutor, particularly as it became clear Derek Chauvin, the officer involved in Floyd’s death, was involved in the death of another citizen while Klobuchar was prosecutor. Chauvin was one of six officers who fired on and killed Wayne Reyes in 2006 after Reyes reportedly aimed a shotgun at police after stabbing his friend and girlfriend. While the death happened during Klobuchar’s tenure at the helm of the Hennepin County Attorney’s Office, the case did not go to a grand jury until after she left the office and became a senator.
Klobuchar did not criminally charge other police involved in the more than two dozen officer-involved fatalities that occurred during her time as prosecutor. She left those decisions to a grand jury, a practice that was common at the time.
https://www.startribune.com/george-floy ... 570851712/
Doesn't sound like Klobuchar was atypical as a prosecutor - but that's kind of the problem. The system has been rotten for a very long time, and choosing a VP candidate who's been one of its enforcers would be a big mistake with tensions running as high as they are now.
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by Bewildered » Sun May 31, 2020 4:58 pm
Is there any prospect of Keisha Lance Bottoms getting picked?
I don’t really know much about her, or political positioning, but just saw her speaking about the riots and doing an interview and I found her rhetoric and communication skills more captivating and engaging than Biden or any of the people who were competing with him for the nomination.
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by Bird on a Fire » Sun May 31, 2020 5:20 pm
Bewildered wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 4:58 pm
Is there any prospect of Keisha Lance Bottoms getting picked?
I don’t really know much about her, or political positioning, but just saw her speaking about the riots and doing an interview and I found her rhetoric and communication skills more captivating and engaging than Biden or any of the people who were competing with him for the nomination.
She was named as a possibility in March
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/1 ... ick-134306 but I'm not sure what the latest is.
Somebody who can actually speak to normal people and handle disagreement would be a great choice.
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by EACLucifer » Sun May 31, 2020 6:52 pm
Bewildered wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 4:58 pm
Is there any prospect of Keisha Lance Bottoms getting picked?
I don’t really know much about her, or political positioning, but just saw her speaking about the riots and doing an interview and I found her rhetoric and communication skills more captivating and engaging than Biden or any of the people who were competing with him for the nomination.
Just going on her recent speech, she is impressive.
She also does not come at the cost of a senate or congress seat.
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by Woodchopper » Sun May 31, 2020 7:45 pm
Would mean lots of vast banners containing the words ‘Biden Bottoms’.
I guess the campaign song could be provided by the JohnSpencer blues explosion:
https://youtu.be/XlTqcshkmc8
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by bmforre » Sun May 31, 2020 8:00 pm
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:45 pm
Would mean lots of vast banners containing the words ‘Biden Bottoms’.
Or possibly extensive use of ampersand?
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by Bird on a Fire » Sun May 31, 2020 9:38 pm
bmforre wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:00 pm
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:45 pm
Would mean lots of vast banners containing the words ‘Biden Bottoms’.
Or possibly extensive use of ampersand?
Or the heart emoji.
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by Woodchopper » Sun May 31, 2020 10:03 pm
I’d buy the poster:
Biden
Bottoms
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by Bird on a Fire » Sun May 31, 2020 10:06 pm
Vote Biden Get Bottoms also has a nice ring to it.
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by tom p » Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:22 pm
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:45 pm
Would mean lots of vast banners containing the words ‘Biden Bottoms’.
I guess the campaign song could be provided by the JohnSpencer blues explosion:
https://youtu.be/XlTqcshkmc8
It would have to be by sir mix-a-alot
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by plebian » Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:10 pm
tom p wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:22 pm
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:45 pm
Would mean lots of vast banners containing the words ‘Biden Bottoms’.
I guess the campaign song could be provided by the JohnSpencer blues explosion:
https://youtu.be/XlTqcshkmc8
It would have to be by sir mix-a-alot
If the election weren't so critical, I'd love to see h end his presidential run by releasing a very misguided reworded remix of it hahhaha
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by Grumble » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:03 pm
He’s quite open and happy to talk about how them accepting his donations makes them corrupt.
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by lpm » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:07 pm
I thought she was great all along. Was very happy with the announcement.
Until this news that she's taken donations from one of Putin's money launderers. She should return illegally obtained funds.
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by Grumble » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:07 am
lpm wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:07 pm
I thought she was great all along. Was very happy with the announcement.
Until this news that she's taken donations from one of Putin's money launderers. She should return illegally obtained funds.
She donated it to charity when he announced he was running for president in 2015
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by Bird on a Fire » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:57 pm
Harris is a bit of an interesting case. She's not popular with the BLM crowd, for having overseen and upheld exactly the kinds of policies that have lead to excessive incarceration of black people (much like Sir Kier Starmer) while attorney general, and certainly doesn't have the kind of record of speaking out against injustice that people like AOC have.
On the other hand, there are obviously limits on what people, especially people of colour and especially women, can achieve within the political system. There is presumably some value in having political insiders from underrepresented groups (beyond giving the establishment an unwarranted appearance of representativeness), and maybe Harris felt it was important to prioritise that over saying and doing what she really thinks. As VP she should have more opportunity to speak her mind and try to lead rather than follow. She's butted heads with Biden before, for instance for being chummy with segregationists, and might help to drag him into more progressive directions.
I've seen a lot of people celebrating the appointment of a woman of colour as a victory in and of itself, and of course they're right. But that victory will be pretty hollow if it's not accompanied by a huge amount of lasting change. Having a black president for two terms still lead us where we are today.
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by Bird on a Fire » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:12 pm
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by dyqik » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:58 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:57 pm
Harris is a bit of an interesting case. She's not popular with the BLM crowd, for having overseen and upheld exactly the kinds of policies that have lead to excessive incarceration of black people (much like Sir Kier Starmer) while attorney general, and certainly doesn't have the kind of record of speaking out against injustice that people like AOC have.
On the other hand, there are obviously limits on what people, especially people of colour and especially women, can achieve within the political system. There is presumably some value in having political insiders from underrepresented groups (beyond giving the establishment an unwarranted appearance of representativeness), and maybe Harris felt it was important to prioritise that over saying and doing what she really thinks. As VP she should have more opportunity to speak her mind and try to lead rather than follow. She's butted heads with Biden before, for instance for being chummy with segregationists, and might help to drag him into more progressive directions.
I've seen a lot of people celebrating the appointment of a woman of colour as a victory in and of itself, and of course they're right. But that victory will be pretty hollow if it's not accompanied by a huge amount of lasting change. Having a black president for two terms still lead us where we are today.
The biggest attack lines coming from Republicans right now are that Biden and Harris are far-left extremist socialists, and that Biden and Harris are conservatives in the pocket of Wall St, that don't care about BLM or equality.
Biden has been making it quite clear that he's talking and listening to progressives on policy - with Warren, for example - while also being a known moderate. Basically, they are safe options that independent and conservative white voters can and will vote for, and Republicans are flailing around in response to him and Harris.
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by Bird on a Fire » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:08 pm
The Republicans seem to have totally jumped the shark in terms of internal consistency, never mind actual veracity, but maybe that's a low-risk strategy until somebody works out how to break through their stranglehold on information flow to their base.
And the Democrats' strategy of targeting right-of-centre former Republicans and swing-voters does seem to be working well to win the election. I just hope that after winning they can pivot to delivering useful change, especially on climate change (the next decade will be soooo much easier if the USA stops pissing in the pot) and maybe dialling down the institutional racism a few notches. I suppose I'm less bothered if the US continues to be a corporate-owned economic basket-case in other areas, because I'll never have to live there; I'd just like less of its malign influence on stuff that matters to the rest of the world.
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by headshot » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:45 pm
This is an email a Facebook friend received from the Trump campaign yesterday.
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Bonkers. They have no idea how to campaign against them.
Also...they’re career politicians that love anarchy? Anarchy seems like a poor policy stance for a career politician.
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by Vertigowooyay » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:52 pm
Not sure how you can be both sleepy and radical, but there you go...
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by JQH » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:40 pm
Elites who live on the COAST eh?
As opposed to inland states like Florida and New York presumably.
And remember that if you botch the exit, the carnival of reaction may be coming to a town near you.
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by dyqik » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:48 pm
JQH wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:40 pm
Elites who live on the COAST eh?
As opposed to inland states like Florida and New York presumably.
Or Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Alaska etc.
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by monkey » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:12 pm
dyqik wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:48 pm
JQH wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:40 pm
Elites who live on the COAST eh?
As opposed to inland states like Florida and New York presumably.
Or Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Alaska etc.
Alabama only has a coastline because it has testicles where Mobile is. And yes, it is hot and sweaty there.