Donald Trump's health

[lpm]

His staff let him walk out the door with disastrous gaps in his orange make up. They all hate him. Not a single one wants him to live.

[lpm]

Chris Christie now also in hospital. A lot younger than Trump, but the same weight problems.

[dyqik]

Chris Christie has checked in to hospital now as well.

[lpm]

Here's his hospital suite. $750 in taxes a year gets you this.

https://twitter.com/richard680news/stat ... 5061961728

Why the hell is there carpet on the floor? How does infection control get handled? MRSA must love it?

[Vertigowooyay]

Decided to rewatch The Death Of Stalin again tonight.

Can’t think why.

[Grumble]

Here's his hospital suite. $750 in taxes a year gets you this.

https://twitter.com/richard680news/stat ... 5061961728

Why the hell is there carpet on the floor? How does infection control get handled? MRSA must love it?

I’ve been to a private hospital here in England for minor surgery, referred by the nhs. I walked in and thought I was in a hotel foyer.

[discovolante]

Here's his hospital suite. $750 in taxes a year gets you this.

https://twitter.com/richard680news/stat ... 5061961728

Why the hell is there carpet on the floor? How does infection control get handled? MRSA must love it?

I like how he still gets a pretty basic looking bed trolley though.

[JQH]

I still say he mustn't die: he's got to go to the election and lose and do the loser's hand over in front of the camera's and the whole world singing and pointing, "You're sh-i-t, and you know you are, You're sh-i-t, and you know you are...'.

Seconded. I want him to know that he's been defeated. I want blowhards like Mike Adams see their idol cast down.

[dyqik]

Chris Christie now also in hospital. A lot younger than Trump, but the same weight problems.

The timing is about as early as possible for last Saturday to be the exposure event.

[Bird on a Fire]

Here's his hospital suite. $750 in taxes a year gets you this.

https://twitter.com/richard680news/stat ... 5061961728

Why the hell is there carpet on the floor? How does infection control get handled? MRSA must love it?

I like how he still gets a pretty basic looking bed trolley though.

I got put up in a swanky hospital in Indonesia a few years ago (I got a rather badly infected abscess, and I guess the company I was working for had great insurance and/or were extra worried about me) - private room with a nice view, excellent view over the city (which was great during the Eid fireworks) and intravenous drugs of course, basically all the perks of the high life. I was also still on a standard bed trolley - I think they are quite specific bits of medical-grade kit, and presume there are limits to what they can do with them fanciness wise.

[Bird on a Fire]

Here's his hospital suite. $750 in taxes a year gets you this.

https://twitter.com/richard680news/stat ... 5061961728

Why the hell is there carpet on the floor? How does infection control get handled? MRSA must love it?

https://twitter.com/joolsd/status/1312479523720445954

[El Pollo Diablo]

I still think the timing is weird. He's "much better now" according to his video. So he must have been much worse before, then.

Can he really, in the space of a few days, have deteriorated to "much worse", gone to hospital, been given oxygen and then got better? Surely he's had it for a while?

[headshot]

There are lots of reports of patients starting to feel better before they suddenly deteriorate.

[sTeamTraen]

Here's his hospital suite. $750 in taxes a year gets you this.

https://twitter.com/richard680news/stat ... 5061961728

Why the hell is there carpet on the floor? How does infection control get handled? MRSA must love it?

Apparently that photo is from 2007 and the whole place was redone in 2011. Source: Credible-sounding person on Twitter.

It's not surprising that they don't redo it very often. The last President admitted there was Reagan.

[Grumble]

There are lots of reports of patients starting to feel better before they suddenly deteriorate.

Stop making me hope.

[discovolante]

I still think the timing is weird. He's "much better now" according to his video. So he must have been much worse before, then.

Can he really, in the space of a few days, have deteriorated to "much worse", gone to hospital, been given oxygen and then got better? Surely he's had it for a while?

He also seems to have had a coughing fit or something during the video which was edited out. Which isn't exactly lying prone unable to breath, but still.

[EACLucifer]

There are lots of reports of patients starting to feel better before they suddenly deteriorate.

It's too early to call, really. The danger zone seems to be between about a week and two weeks after first symptoms.

[EACLucifer]

Just via American journos discussing it on twitter, but apparently Nick Luna, Trump's personal aide, has it, and did not travel with POTUS on thursday, but did on Wednesday.

ETA: Specifically via Maggie Haberman (NYT, CNN) and John Santucci (ABC)

[bob sterman]

This just in...

Carl Heneghan - Director of the University of Oxford's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine has tweeted...

"This is just a seasonal thing, in my busy shifts as an out-of-hours GP (that I squeeze in-between tweets and that qualify me to speak authoritatively on epidemiological matters) I often see Presidents airlifted to specialist medical centres around this time of year #PCRsucks"

Meanwhile, a new epidemiological modelling study by Professor Sunetra Gupta has suggested that now that 28.6% of the close Trump family have tested postive for COVID-19 they have exceeded the predicted 20% "herd immunity" threshold. So the Trump family can now ditch their masks - and hold a "Boston T-Cell Party" to celebrate.

So I tried a bit of parody but it looks like Heneghan does it better for himself...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/wil ... n-the-nhs-

"Everyone in the northern hemisphere knows that with the onset of autumn acute respiratory infections go up and so do unplanned hospitalisations."

"The month of September sees around 21,000 cases of unforeseen attendances and admissions, which works out at around 700 unplanned admissions per day." [for England]

Except he includes a graph showing that the number has only hit 21,000 in 1 of the 7 years on the figure - the September average is 18779 (626 per day). OK - not a huge difference - and I guess it's too much to expect some from CEBM to be accurate with figures.

"However, by the end of September 2020, around 300 patients with covid were admitted in England per day. This is less than half of what we would normally expect."

Surely in the previous years there weren't ANY admissions with COVID?? So it's about 300 more than we would normally expect!! Does he expect us to believe that unforeseen attendances and admissions for non-COVID respiratory problems have gone away completely and don't need to be added to the 300???

And the number was 328 an for England COVID admissions on Sep 30th - not 300. Again, not a big difference but when he boosts some figures by 10% and lowers others by 10% it gives the impression he's trying to paint a picture - and has an agenda.

[lpm]

He's had those steroids, the ones that the UK study showed were a pretty good help.

On the timetable f.ck up, Doctor said "it came across as we were trying to hide something, which isn't necessarily true". Great use of the word necessarily!

[bmforre]

... Doctor said "it came across as we were trying to hide something, which isn't necessarily true". Great use of the word necessarily!

Why not take "It ain't necessarily so" as new Trumpster anthem?

[AMS]

Here's his hospital suite. $750 in taxes a year gets you this.

https://twitter.com/richard680news/stat ... 5061961728

Why the hell is there carpet on the floor? How does infection control get handled? MRSA must love it?

Apparently that photo is from 2007 and the whole place was redone in 2011. Source: Credible-sounding person on Twitter.

It's not surprising that they don't redo it very often. The last President admitted there was Reagan.

I wonder how many refurbishments pass by unnoticed, if four consecutive presidents never needed to use the place.

[dyqik]

By the way, Trump's doctor isn't a real doctor, but a Doctor of Osteopathy.

[dyqik]

By the way, Trump's doctor is doctor of osteopathy, not medicine.

In the US, there some serious blurring of the lines there, but osteopaths are trained in quackery first.

[EACLucifer]

He's had those steroids, the ones that the UK study showed were a pretty good help

Dexamethasone? Isn't that only for severe cases? Pretty much everything I've seen suggests it's useless or even counterproductive for patients not receiving oxygen (20% and 35% improved change of survival for oxygen and vent patients respectively)

This suggests a few possibilities, some mutually incompatible

Firstly, that he is a lot more ill than suggested. We know they managed to clear him up for a few photo ops yesterday, but that doesn't necessarily mean that much

Secondly, that he could be demanding and getting treatments that aren't appropriate to his situation. I did see someone point out that there is a chance that, rather than getting the best care possible, he would get too much intervention and die like a medieval king bled out by a gaggle of quacks

Third, that his doctors are lying and naming known treatments in an attempt to persuade people they are doing well, and he isn't really on dex

Fourth, it seems rather early in the proceedings for dex, and they are still refusing to release his last negative test. Has he been going round infected and infectious for longer than admitted? Jennifer Jacobs releasing the Hicks test result is proving once again the value of a free press and brave reporters.

ETA: WHO recommend not giving it to non-severe patients