US Election

[EACLucifer]

AND NOW the Giuliani lolsuit has had its evidenciary hearing, which was due tomorrow, cancelled by Judge Brann. I don't think this bodes well for the lolsuit, and Id be unsurprised if it were found they lack standing, especially given how badly Giuliani handled the standing part of it. Really, the only bit he got worse was asking for "the normal" standard of review, then snapping "that doesn't sound rational" after rational basis review was explained to him.

[Grumble]

Lolsuit

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[EACLucifer]

Lolsuit

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Is this even the same lawsuit? I'm struggling to keep track off all of them, and most are bluster using the same dodgy, doomed arguments.

I note, btw, that in the lolsuit Giuliani was involved in yesterday, the Judge was firmly of the opinion the plaintiffs were suing the wrong defendants. Again, not a lawyer, but I can't imagine that being a good sign for the plaintiffs.

[EACLucifer]

Another lolsuit incoming, this one in Georgia (or George, or Georiga, as Trumpists have been spelling it lately). For those not in the know, Lin Wood is not the most hinged of fellows.

[Woodchopper]

You can all laugh but according to this poll 70% of Republicans think that Biden’s win was due to fraud.
https://twitter.com/akarl_smith/status/ ... 73440?s=21

Seems to be the same as the last four years. Lots of people laughing at what is actually a successful strategy to influence millions of voters.

I’ll bet that for years to come, pretty much anyone wanting to get elected as a Republican will have to state that Trump was cheated out of victory by Biden, and that Biden is not a legitimate President. Trump will be out of the Whitehouse but Trumpism goes on.

[Grumble]

Lolsuit

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Is this even the same lawsuit? I'm struggling to keep track off all of them, and most are bluster using the same dodgy, doomed arguments.

I note, btw, that in the lolsuit Giuliani was involved in yesterday, the Judge was firmly of the opinion the plaintiffs were suing the wrong defendants. Again, not a lawyer, but I can't imagine that being a good sign for the plaintiffs.

No, I don’t think it is the same one.

[EACLucifer]

Lolsuit

9687AFE9-68FF-432D-9540-DCE5CFF70B8F.jpeg

Is this even the same lawsuit? I'm struggling to keep track off all of them, and most are bluster using the same dodgy, doomed arguments.

I note, btw, that in the lolsuit Giuliani was involved in yesterday, the Judge was firmly of the opinion the plaintiffs were suing the wrong defendants. Again, not a lawyer, but I can't imagine that being a good sign for the plaintiffs.

No, I don’t think it is the same one.

The disparity between claims made by the lawyers in front of the judge and claims made by the campaign to the press still qualifies it as a lolsuit, though.

[EACLucifer]

For those wondering about how incompetent and how evil the Trump campaign is, this is from the Pennsylvania federal lolsuit with Giuliani



Though it's very telling that every one of their attacks on a city in particular (Philadelphia, Detroit, etc) is on a city with a majority - or very large minority - of black voters. Very telling.

[AMS]

You can all laugh but according to this poll 70% of Republicans think that Biden’s win was due to fraud.
https://twitter.com/akarl_smith/status/ ... 73440?s=21

Seems to be the same as the last four years. Lots of people laughing at what is actually a successful strategy to influence millions of voters.

I’ll bet that for years to come, pretty much anyone wanting to get elected as a Republican will have to state that Trump was cheated out of victory by Biden, and that Biden is not a legitimate President. Trump will be out of the Whitehouse but Trumpism goes on.

It's pretty scary stuff. The only hope is that a solid majority are appalled by this nonsense, as it's hard to see how anyone can neutral on this. (Also interesting that this mob seems to have turned on Fox News.)

[bjn]

My hope is that this somehow splits the utter right wing crazies off from the normal rightwing crazies and the right can fight itself for a while. Trump TV vs FoxNEWs would be interesting, or could just push Fox off into utter crazy.

[sTeamTraen]

AND NOW

In Pennsylvania it's COME NOW, and the (male) lawyers get "Esq." after their names.

[AMS]

It feels like WHAT NOW? would fit better in this case.

[Gfamily]

It feels like WHAT NOW? would fit better in this case.

I prefer the way that Beowulf starts "Hwæt!"

[bolo]

Esq. after your name means "lawyer" throughout the US. It's not used for anyone else.

[dyqik]

Is it bad if you put the judge's signature on an order you've just submitted before he rules on it?

[bolo]

Esq. after your name means "lawyer" throughout the US. It's not used for anyone else.

I should have added that it is also used for female lawyers.

[Woodchopper]

Esq. after your name means "lawyer" throughout the US. It's not used for anyone else.

I should have added that it is also used for female lawyers.

And Wyld Stallyns.

[Little waster]

Esq. after your name means "lawyer" throughout the US. It's not used for anyone else.

I should have added that it is also used for female lawyers.

And Wyld Stallyns.

Presumably their use of it was “bogus”.

[FlammableFlower]

“In the plaintiffs’ counties, they were denied the opportunity to have an unobstructed observation and ensure opacity,” Giuliani said. “I’m not quite sure I know what opacity means. It probably means you can see, right?”

“It means you can’t,” said U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann.

“Big words, your honor,” Giuliani said.

Oh wow And later:

And while still in court, Giuliani retweeted someone who said he did a great job in his opening remarks.

ETA: It does look like Trump's plan is to run down the clock and try to get electors picked that would have otherwise gone with the popular vote in that county/district.

[Bewildered]

Esq. after your name means "lawyer" throughout the US. It's not used for anyone else.

I should have added that it is also used for female lawyers.

And Wyld Stallyns.

That’s exactly what popped into my head when reading...

[jimbob]

I should have added that it is also used for female lawyers.

And Wyld Stallyns.

That’s exactly what popped into my head when reading...

TBF, Wyld Stallyns would probably have more legal competence than Rudy.

[Woodchopper]

I should have added that it is also used for female lawyers.

And Wyld Stallyns.

That’s exactly what popped into my head when reading...

I expect we're both of a certain age.

[Allo V Psycho]

You can all laugh but according to this poll 70% of Republicans think that Biden’s win was due to fraud.
https://twitter.com/akarl_smith/status/ ... 73440?s=21

Seems to be the same as the last four years. Lots of people laughing at what is actually a successful strategy to influence millions of voters.

I’ll bet that for years to come, pretty much anyone wanting to get elected as a Republican will have to state that Trump was cheated out of victory by Biden, and that Biden is not a legitimate President. Trump will be out of the Whitehouse but Trumpism goes on.

This article summarises exactly what I've been fearing, along these lines. And I think is well written.

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2020/1 ... afterlife/

[dyqik]

They have backed down and certified (unanimously): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -biden-win

And now they are trying to withdraw their certification again.

[EACLucifer]

They have backed down and certified (unanimously): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -biden-win

And now they are trying to withdraw their certification again.

One of them is now facing campaign finance and ethics complaints, the former of which could lead to jail time.