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Re: US Election
Even Tucker Carlson wouldn't go along with the most extreme claims from today's press-conference-shitshow, apparently he would have been happy to dedicate his entire hour long program to their complaints if they shared evidence with him, but when he asked to actually see evidence, they told him to go away and stop talking to them.
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We'll have less of that godless commie talk, thank you very much.dyqik wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:33 amThey could always try to support popular policies that the majority of the general electorate want...EACLucifer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:56 pmSome republicans likely to face utter lunatics in their primaries. May struggle if utter lunatics follow behaviour current republicans are tacitly supporting with Trump and do not concede after primary defeat.
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I wonder if Tucker has finally got tired of getting burned for going all-in, frothing at the mouth, pro-Trump/anti-Biden, only to find there's no evidence?EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:39 amEven Tucker Carlson wouldn't go along with the most extreme claims from today's press-conference-shitshow, apparently he would have been happy to dedicate his entire hour long program to their complaints if they shared evidence with him, but when he asked to actually see evidence, they told him to go away and stop talking to them.
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I saw the photos and thought he'd just opened the Ark of the Covenant.
It first was a rumour dismissed as a lie, but then came the evidence none could deny:
a double page spread in the Sunday Express — the Russians are running the DHSS!
a double page spread in the Sunday Express — the Russians are running the DHSS!
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Nothing says calm, collected and honest more than sweating so hard that your soul begins to visibly seep out your ears.Rich Scopie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:20 pmI saw the photos and thought he'd just opened the Ark of the Covenant.
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Re: US Election
I was thinking Jean Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg on the phone to the Ancient Evil in The Fifth ElementRich Scopie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:20 pmI saw the photos and thought he'd just opened the Ark of the Covenant.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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Trump's asked a couple of senior Michigan republicans to meet him at the White House. This comes after he spoke with the those two racist shits who tried to block Wayne county certification, which seems to have been the reason they are now trying to take that certification back.
I don't think there's any chance an attempt to replace Michigan's electors succeeds. It goes against the constitution, specifically that while states can decide how to apportion their electors, they already decided to give them all to the state popular vote winner and can't change that retroactively. It also relies on legislation being passed, and the governor of Michigan has stronger veto powers over the Michigan legislature than the POTUS does over Congress. She's a Democrat, and hardly going to be tolerant of Trumpist antics given he incited a - thankfully foiled - plot to abduct and murder her by a Trump cultist militia.
But the damage caused by trying it is likely to be enormous.
I don't think there's any chance an attempt to replace Michigan's electors succeeds. It goes against the constitution, specifically that while states can decide how to apportion their electors, they already decided to give them all to the state popular vote winner and can't change that retroactively. It also relies on legislation being passed, and the governor of Michigan has stronger veto powers over the Michigan legislature than the POTUS does over Congress. She's a Democrat, and hardly going to be tolerant of Trumpist antics given he incited a - thankfully foiled - plot to abduct and murder her by a Trump cultist militia.
But the damage caused by trying it is likely to be enormous.
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The other problem is that all the legislature can do is try to send a competing slate of electors to Congress. However, the House and the Senate vote separately (under normal majority rules) on which ones to accept, and if they deadlock over a slate, the Governor's choice breaks the tie. If the House and Senate decide to throw out the electors, the number of EC votes to win drops by half the number of EC votes (majority of the whole number of appointed electors is required). Biden then wins.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:05 pmTrump's asked a couple of senior Michigan republicans to meet him at the White House. This comes after he spoke with the those two racist shits who tried to block Wayne county certification, which seems to have been the reason they are now trying to take that certification back.
I don't think there's any chance an attempt to replace Michigan's electors succeeds. It goes against the constitution, specifically that while states can decide how to apportion their electors, they already decided to give them all to the state popular vote winner and can't change that retroactively. It also relies on legislation being passed, and the governor of Michigan has stronger veto powers over the Michigan legislature than the POTUS does over Congress. She's a Democrat, and hardly going to be tolerant of Trumpist antics given he incited a - thankfully foiled - plot to abduct and murder her by a Trump cultist militia.
But the damage caused by trying it is likely to be enormous.
Trump has to get at least three states flipped, or five disputed states thrown out, I think.
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Though it almost certainly isn't going to get that far, I think at least Romney and Sasse would probably support democracy in the senatedyqik wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:44 pmThe other problem is that all the legislature can do is try to send a competing slate of electors to Congress. However, the House and the Senate vote separately (under normal majority rules) on which ones to accept, and if they deadlock over a slate, the Governor's choice breaks the tie.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:05 pmTrump's asked a couple of senior Michigan republicans to meet him at the White House. This comes after he spoke with the those two racist shits who tried to block Wayne county certification, which seems to have been the reason they are now trying to take that certification back.
I don't think there's any chance an attempt to replace Michigan's electors succeeds. It goes against the constitution, specifically that while states can decide how to apportion their electors, they already decided to give them all to the state popular vote winner and can't change that retroactively. It also relies on legislation being passed, and the governor of Michigan has stronger veto powers over the Michigan legislature than the POTUS does over Congress. She's a Democrat, and hardly going to be tolerant of Trumpist antics given he incited a - thankfully foiled - plot to abduct and murder her by a Trump cultist militia.
But the damage caused by trying it is likely to be enormous.
Re: US Election
If this is the case - it's even more of a clown show than I thought
https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/1329799212091940870
https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/1329799212091940870
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OMG. Trump's lawyers filed an affidavit claiming statistical irregularities proving election fraud because they *confused Michigan for Minnesota*
They thought "MI" = Minnesota (it's MN), and then compared a bunch of results in Minnesota to Michigan population statistics.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
Re: US Election
They also claim that Minnesota townships where the number of votes exceeded the voter registration numbers at the start of the day are suspicious.jimbob wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:48 pmIf this is the case - it's even more of a clown show than I thought
https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/1329799212091940870
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OMG. Trump's lawyers filed an affidavit claiming statistical irregularities proving election fraud because they *confused Michigan for Minnesota*
They thought "MI" = Minnesota (it's MN), and then compared a bunch of results in Minnesota to Michigan population statistics.
Minnesota has same day voter registration, where you can register to vote and vote with one visit to a polling location. And it regularly exceeds 80% turnout statewide, so you'd expect this in high turnout elections like this one.
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This really does appear to be the case. "Expert" in question was from Texas, but this is about on the level of someone from Surrey thinking Blackburn is part of Yorkshire*.dyqik wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:52 pmjimbob wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:48 pmIf this is the case - it's even more of a clown show than I thought
https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/1329799212091940870
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OMG. Trump's lawyers filed an affidavit claiming statistical irregularities proving election fraud because they *confused Michigan for Minnesota*
They thought "MI" = Minnesota (it's MN), and then compared a bunch of results in Minnesota to Michigan population statistics.
And turnout was if anything highest in very red counties.They also claim that Minnesota townships where the number of votes exceeded the voter registration numbers at the start of the day are suspicious.
Minnesota has same day voter registration, where you can register to vote and vote with one visit to a polling location. And it regularly exceeds 80% turnout statewide, so you'd expect this in high turnout elections like this one.
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The Minnesota townships on their list with percentages have electoral rolls in the high tens and low hundreds, and are very red.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:08 pmThis really does appear to be the case. "Expert" in question was from Texas, but this is about on the level of someone from Surrey thinking Blackburn is part of Yorkshire*.dyqik wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:52 pmjimbob wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:48 pmIf this is the case - it's even more of a clown show than I thought
https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/1329799212091940870
And turnout was if anything highest in very red counties.They also claim that Minnesota townships where the number of votes exceeded the voter registration numbers at the start of the day are suspicious.
Minnesota has same day voter registration, where you can register to vote and vote with one visit to a polling location. And it regularly exceeds 80% turnout statewide, so you'd expect this in high turnout elections like this one.
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FURTHER to my comments regarding Michigan legislators flying to meet Trump at the White House, Politico covers it in some detail.
The two individuals - State Senator Mike Shirkey and State Rep Lee Chatfield - really want to strongly consider not doing this
The two individuals - State Senator Mike Shirkey and State Rep Lee Chatfield - really want to strongly consider not doing this
The only leverage Trump really has is bribery - political spending that favours their re-elections, appointment to office in event he does steal the election, direct payment etc. Given that Michigan law appears to be quite clear, Trump cannot intervene, have his corrupted DOJ intervene, or even claim executive privilige when talking to men who have nothing to do with his cabinet, it would not be a wise move to attend. Any decision made in Trump's favour after such a meeting will invite investigation at state level, where Trump can't intervene, and even just the investigation will tarnish their reputation in the eyes of Michiganders.Under Michigan law, any member of the Legislature who “corruptly” accepts a promise of some beneficial act in return for exercising his authority in a certain way is “forever disqualified to hold any public office” and “shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years[.]”
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What are the reactions when gross, simple errors like misidentification of states are pointed out? How many of the confused accept facts when they are pointed out and who many bravely stick to their alternative misfacts?dyqik wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:52 pmThey also claim that Minnesota townships where the number of votes exceeded the voter registration numbers at the start of the day are suspicious.jimbob wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:48 pmIf this is the case - it's even more of a clown show than I thought
https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/1329799212091940870
Isaac Saul
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OMG. Trump's lawyers filed an affidavit claiming statistical irregularities proving election fraud because they *confused Michigan for Minnesota*
They thought "MI" = Minnesota (it's MN), and then compared a bunch of results in Minnesota to Michigan population statistics.
Minnesota has same day voter registration, where you can register to vote and vote with one visit to a polling location. And it regularly exceeds 80% turnout statewide, so you'd expect this in high turnout elections like this one.
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The US system is so irredeemably corrupt that this may well work. Crank up the noise to 11, use bribery on state officials, and keep the presidency.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:46 pmFURTHER to my comments regarding Michigan legislators flying to meet Trump at the White House, Politico covers it in some detail.
The two individuals - State Senator Mike Shirkey and State Rep Lee Chatfield - really want to strongly consider not doing this
The only leverage Trump really has is bribery - political spending that favours their re-elections, appointment to office in event he does steal the election, direct payment etc. Given that Michigan law appears to be quite clear, Trump cannot intervene, have his corrupted DOJ intervene, or even claim executive privilige when talking to men who have nothing to do with his cabinet, it would not be a wise move to attend. Any decision made in Trump's favour after such a meeting will invite investigation at state level, where Trump can't intervene, and even just the investigation will tarnish their reputation in the eyes of Michiganders.Under Michigan law, any member of the Legislature who “corruptly” accepts a promise of some beneficial act in return for exercising his authority in a certain way is “forever disqualified to hold any public office” and “shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years[.]”
Nobody would have thought it possible until Trump.
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There's still safeguards, plenty of them, and they have been discussed here. Fundamentally, it is not constitutional to change the method for selecting electors after the election.Herainestold wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:10 pmThe US system is so irredeemably corrupt that this may well work. Crank up the noise to 11, use bribery on state officials, and keep the presidency.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:46 pmFURTHER to my comments regarding Michigan legislators flying to meet Trump at the White House, Politico covers it in some detail.
The two individuals - State Senator Mike Shirkey and State Rep Lee Chatfield - really want to strongly consider not doing this
The only leverage Trump really has is bribery - political spending that favours their re-elections, appointment to office in event he does steal the election, direct payment etc. Given that Michigan law appears to be quite clear, Trump cannot intervene, have his corrupted DOJ intervene, or even claim executive privilige when talking to men who have nothing to do with his cabinet, it would not be a wise move to attend. Any decision made in Trump's favour after such a meeting will invite investigation at state level, where Trump can't intervene, and even just the investigation will tarnish their reputation in the eyes of Michiganders.Under Michigan law, any member of the Legislature who “corruptly” accepts a promise of some beneficial act in return for exercising his authority in a certain way is “forever disqualified to hold any public office” and “shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years[.]”
Nobody would have thought it possible until Trump.
The fear here is not that Trump will survive, he won't, it's that he will undermine a good system by trying to fight like this when he has lost.
Compared to the sh.t you promote - vile scum like Xi Jinping selected by a self-serving, unrepresentative group and enaging in totalitarian oppression, censorship and wholesale destruction of minorities - it's an extremely good system. Flawed though America's system is, China's system for selecting government isn't fit to lick dirt from the soles of the American system's shoes.
Now f.ck off, unless you are willing to respond to the numerous challenges you have faced over promoting a regime making a concerted effort to destroy its cultural minorities by means of concentration camps, destruction of cultural sites, etc.
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Glad to see you're feeling better Lucifer.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:22 pm
Compared to the sh.t you promote - vile scum like Xi Jinping selected by a self-serving, unrepresentative group and enaging in totalitarian oppression, censorship and wholesale destruction of minorities - it's an extremely good system. Flawed though America's system is, China's system for selecting government isn't fit to lick dirt from the soles of the American system's shoes.
Now f.ck off, unless you are willing to respond to the numerous challenges you have faced over promoting a regime making a concerted effort to destroy its cultural minorities by means of concentration camps, destruction of cultural sites, etc.
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f.ck you, the horse you rode in on, an everything you stand for, coward.Herainestold wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:30 pmGlad to see you're feeling better Lucifer.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:22 pm
Compared to the sh.t you promote - vile scum like Xi Jinping selected by a self-serving, unrepresentative group and enaging in totalitarian oppression, censorship and wholesale destruction of minorities - it's an extremely good system. Flawed though America's system is, China's system for selecting government isn't fit to lick dirt from the soles of the American system's shoes.
Now f.ck off, unless you are willing to respond to the numerous challenges you have faced over promoting a regime making a concerted effort to destroy its cultural minorities by means of concentration camps, destruction of cultural sites, etc.
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FURTHER to discussions of the Hatch act, time to investigate McEnemy...McEnema...the White House Press Secretary...for campaigning for Trump and refusing to even acknowledge respected news networks (She literally said "I don't call on activists" to CNN) while taking a government salary.
Going after the liar Collins in Georgia for using his uniform for campaigning would be good, too.
Going after the liar Collins in Georgia for using his uniform for campaigning would be good, too.
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Much of the lawsuit - and indeed lolsuit - activity, insomuch as it is trying to do anything but spread confusion, is trying to delay certification.
That failed in Georgia. Georgia is now certified for Biden.
More states due to certify on monday and tuesday, and then more on the 30th and the 1st.
That failed in Georgia. Georgia is now certified for Biden.
More states due to certify on monday and tuesday, and then more on the 30th and the 1st.
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Meanwhile, Fox is claiming the deep-red Upper Peninsular of Michigan is actually in Canada, rather than Minnesota.
https://twitter.com/SteveHofstetter/sta ... 66528?s=20
Presumably this means that a whole bunch of Trump votes should be discarded in Michigan </sarcasm>
https://twitter.com/SteveHofstetter/sta ... 66528?s=20
Presumably this means that a whole bunch of Trump votes should be discarded in Michigan </sarcasm>
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Even conservative, Trump appointed judges are generally getting it right with this b.llsh.t, which is a good sign.
This is the Georgia lawsuit that failed to delay certification, or rather, one of three such failed lawsuits.
This is the Georgia lawsuit that failed to delay certification, or rather, one of three such failed lawsuits.
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One of Trump's lolyers, Jenna Ellis, meanwhile is trying to explain how Dominion voting machines may have resulted in races being altered in Colorado. Colorado does not use voting machines of that sort at all. All votes in Colorado are on paper ballots, due to the overwhelming popularity of vote by mail in the state of Colorado.
I presume this just goes to show how far the nefarious reach of the Necromancer Joe Biden extends, by means of his pawn, Zombie Hugo Chavez.
I presume this just goes to show how far the nefarious reach of the Necromancer Joe Biden extends, by means of his pawn, Zombie Hugo Chavez.