I know someone who works for a Plymouth Brethren company, and they do, in fact, make PPE and other work related clothing lines (hi-vis etc). So they at least know what they're doing. I do get to hear a lot of weird stuff about them - but that's down to their particular beliefs, and not work related.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:59 pmAnd so what. Its only a story if people associated with the Plymouth Brethren have been given special favours.plodder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:46 pmover £1bn (!) of PPE contracts have been issued to firms associated with an evangelical group, the Plymouth Brethren:
https://twitter.com/allthecitizens/stat ... 1709222913
Astonishing levels of government corruption
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It first was a rumour dismissed as a lie, but then came the evidence none could deny:
a double page spread in the Sunday Express — the Russians are running the DHSS!
a double page spread in the Sunday Express — the Russians are running the DHSS!
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That is incredible levels of b.llsh.t. I've got students on placement at an actual pharma company that does proper CBD research - this bunch are just dicking about... (edited to remove the vaping bit - it appears they do creams too)...plodder wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:43 amMore incredible b.llsh.t:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/artic ... oronavirus
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How do you actually get CBD for clinical research?FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:15 amThat is incredible levels of b.llsh.t. I've got students on placement at an actual pharma company that does proper CBD research - this bunch are just dicking about... (edited to remove the vaping bit - it appears they do creams too)...plodder wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:43 amMore incredible b.llsh.t:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/artic ... oronavirus
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If they were already making PPE before the pandemic then they just got lucky. I expect that every UK company in the sector will have received massive contracts.Rich Scopie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:15 amI know someone who works for a Plymouth Brethren company, and they do, in fact, make PPE and other work related clothing lines (hi-vis etc). So they at least know what they're doing. I do get to hear a lot of weird stuff about them - but that's down to their particular beliefs, and not work related.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:59 pmAnd so what. Its only a story if people associated with the Plymouth Brethren have been given special favours.plodder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:46 pmover £1bn (!) of PPE contracts have been issued to firms associated with an evangelical group, the Plymouth Brethren:
https://twitter.com/allthecitizens/stat ... 1709222913
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The NAO have already criticised the gov for procuring via political contacts. The Good Law project are taking the gov to court in order to get the details. Many of the contracts have not been published even though they were issued months ago and there is a growing sense that the emergency procurement exercise was skewed heavily in favour of friends, relatives and contacts of ministers and donors.
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having that swing is a necessary but not sufficient condition for it meaning a thing
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In totally unrelated news.
Coronavirus PPE: all 400,000 gowns flown from Turkey for NHS fail UK standards
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For starters you need a licence from the gov.discovolante wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:36 amHow do you actually get CBD for clinical research?FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:15 amThat is incredible levels of b.llsh.t. I've got students on placement at an actual pharma company that does proper CBD research - this bunch are just dicking about... (edited to remove the vaping bit - it appears they do creams too)...plodder wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:43 amMore incredible b.llsh.t:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/artic ... oronavirus
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Yes, so you could approach British Sugar who grow cannabis commercially. Their MD is (was) Paul Kenward, married to Victoria Atkins MP.
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Are all these “companies” just drop shipping PPE from AliExpress? That’s what it looks like the business model is.
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It's probably WishTAFKAsoveda wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:34 amAre all these “companies” just drop shipping PPE from AliExpress? That’s what it looks like the business model is.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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Pretty much. It's why things like this happen:TAFKAsoveda wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:34 amAre all these “companies” just drop shipping PPE from AliExpress? That’s what it looks like the business model is.
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Not sure where to put this - didn't think it deserved its own thread - but here seems as appropriate as anywhere.
School bully backs up other school bully, bullying bully enquiry head out of a job.
You couldn't make this sh.t up.
School bully backs up other school bully, bullying bully enquiry head out of a job.
You couldn't make this sh.t up.
It first was a rumour dismissed as a lie, but then came the evidence none could deny:
a double page spread in the Sunday Express — the Russians are running the DHSS!
a double page spread in the Sunday Express — the Russians are running the DHSS!
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We really are back to the early nineties levels of Tory sleaze, incompetence and nastiness, aren't we?
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Understatement of the year. This is far worse than anything I can remember, but then, I only became politically aware during the Major years.FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:04 pmWe really are back to the early nineties levels of Tory sleaze, incompetence and nastiness, aren't we?
Non fui. Fui. Non sum. Non curo.
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Yes, maybe my memories are tinged with some kind of nostalgia, or I've just forgotten a heck of a lot (really very likely), but whereas I do remember sleazy behaviour, my memory is also that when it was discovered, people mostly resigned or were kicked out (frequently with the PM "standing by" them right up to just before the point where they went, usually within the week).nezumi wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:53 pmUnderstatement of the year. This is far worse than anything I can remember, but then, I only became politically aware during the Major years.FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:04 pmWe really are back to the early nineties levels of Tory sleaze, incompetence and nastiness, aren't we?
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That's what I recall too, I don't know what's more galling: The fact it's happening, the fact the perpetrators face no consequences, or the fact that there's so little outrage.bagpuss wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:16 pmYes, maybe my memories are tinged with some kind of nostalgia, or I've just forgotten a heck of a lot (really very likely), but whereas I do remember sleazy behaviour, my memory is also that when it was discovered, people mostly resigned or were kicked out (frequently with the PM "standing by" them right up to just before the point where they went, usually within the week).nezumi wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:53 pmUnderstatement of the year. This is far worse than anything I can remember, but then, I only became politically aware during the Major years.FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:04 pmWe really are back to the early nineties levels of Tory sleaze, incompetence and nastiness, aren't we?
Non fui. Fui. Non sum. Non curo.
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Classic political speak:Rich Scopie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:17 pmNot sure where to put this - didn't think it deserved its own thread - but here seems as appropriate as anywhere.
School bully backs up other school bully, bullying bully enquiry head out of a job.
You couldn't make this sh.t up.
"Did you pressure Sir Alex to change his conclusions Prime Minister?"
"His conclusions are all his own"
Translation: "yes I did, but he wouldn't budge"
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To which the response is:Trinucleus wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:01 amClassic political speak:Rich Scopie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:17 pmNot sure where to put this - didn't think it deserved its own thread - but here seems as appropriate as anywhere.
School bully backs up other school bully, bullying bully enquiry head out of a job.
You couldn't make this sh.t up.
"Did you pressure Sir Alex to change his conclusions Prime Minister?"
"His conclusions are all his own"
Translation: "yes I did, but he wouldn't budge"
"Did you threaten to overrule him?"
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And to save time Boris would just say no
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Apparently Johnson wanted the Patel report to be "palatable". But it's pretty typical to stipulate that putative Priti Patel position papers be palatable.
In six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them. The human body was knocked up pretty late on the Friday afternoon, with a deadline looming. How well do you expect it to work?
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As Home Secretary Priti Patel will be in charge of the security services.
I can't help thinking she has something really juicy on Johnson.
I can't help thinking she has something really juicy on Johnson.
And remember that if you botch the exit, the carnival of reaction may be coming to a town near you.
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Tx. Money donated.plodder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:06 pmThe Good Law Project have published their papers:
https://goodlawproject.org/update/the-ppe-fiasco/
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The landlord of Matt Hancock’s local pub has won a large contract supplying testing equipment:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ssion=true
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ssion=true