Vaccine rollout in Italy
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France and Italy have also announced they will stop administering the AstraZeneca vaccine pending an assessment by the European Union’s medicine regulator.
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Starting to look like a social panic. How long before the UK follows suit?
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It won't; they're so much further along.Herainestold wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:26 pmStarting to look like a social panic. How long before the UK follows suit?
Unless of course they start to see similar adverse reactions when they get to the 40-49 range and it sets people off.
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As you get to younger age cohorts wouldn't you expect to see fewer adverse effects?shpalman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:58 pmIt won't; they're so much further along.Herainestold wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:26 pmStarting to look like a social panic. How long before the UK follows suit?
Unless of course they start to see similar adverse reactions when they get to the 40-49 range and it sets people off.
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... which is why these adverse effects in that slightly lower age range stand out.
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A few weeks ago the criticism of AZ was that they hadn’t included enough older cohorts in their study.
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Which is why they were rolling it out to people my age (who are police/military/teachers etc.).
Meanwhile ~90% of the deaths around here are in the oldest demographics and Lombardy's roll out to them remains a bit sh.t (compared to the rest of Italy which is more or less in line with the EU).
Part of the shitness of the rollout to >80's is issues with AIFA not originally recommending the AstraZeneca vaccine for them (due to lack of efficacy data) and the slow arrival of the Pfizer one, but now that the UK did the experiment on its population they'd be able to get the AstraZeneca one if it hadn't just been suspended in most of Europe. The remaining shitness is Lombardy being sh.t.
I'm not against the vaccine, I mean, I had it yesterday just about as soon as I could.
But as Norway said, well it doesn't matter that much about pausing for a couple of days since there aren't enough doses arriving anyway.
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Italy still managed to do more than 180,000 vaccinations yesterday, but then it was only about 140,000 on Monday, so maybe there's lag in that data (I'm using the figures from 6am the next morning) and the lower number from Monday actually corresponds slightly to Sunday and the number from yesterday is partly Monday. (Lombardy ~30,000 both days).
Anyway there were a few days last week at 210,000-220,000 or so (Lombardy ~36,000-37,000). Will need a few more days to see the impact of the AZ pause.
Anyway there were a few days last week at 210,000-220,000 or so (Lombardy ~36,000-37,000). Will need a few more days to see the impact of the AZ pause.
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Shpalman, could you tell me which source are you using for the Italian data? All Italy rather than just Lombardia. Your source seems more up to date than the ones I've been using (in FVG).
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https://www.governo.it/it/cscovid19/report-vaccini/Lydia Gwilt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:29 amShpalman, could you tell me which source are you using for the Italian data? All Italy rather than just Lombardia. Your source seems more up to date than the ones I've been using (in FVG).
It's updated about three times a day, but I usually take the 6am numbers as definitive for the previous day. And I keep a spreadsheet since there doesn't seem to be an obvious way to see a previous day's data. (Apart from Lombardy I've only been keeping my spreadsheet updated for Veneto and Emilia-Romagna since they are neighbouring regions).
There's also a git at https://github.com/italia/covid19-opendata-vaccini but I haven't properly parsed it.
I also look at https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations for comparisons between countries.
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THank you very much, that's very helpful.
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Italy will carry on with the AstraZeneca vaccinations tomorrow.
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Estimating 5-10% cancellations here but sites are going to operate "overbooking" (and reserve lists) to make sure doses or slots don't go to waste due to no-shows.
Meanwhile AstraZeneca's latest batch was a bit less than usual but should make up for it within a few days.
Moderna might actually send some.
Meanwhile AstraZeneca's latest batch was a bit less than usual but should make up for it within a few days.
Moderna might actually send some.
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A problem which occurred all over the regionshpalman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:37 amThe local vaccine appointment platform failed to send 700 sms's and so only 16 people showed up
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This may be unfair but I have the impression that Italian bureaucracy isn’t the slickest and this doesn’t improve my prejudice.shpalman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:19 pmA problem which occurred all over the regionshpalman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:37 amThe local vaccine appointment platform failed to send 700 sms's and so only 16 people showed up
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The north, Lombardy especially, is normally the least "Italian" about this sort of thing.
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over-80's to all be vaccinated by the 11th of April in Lombardy.
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I see that another million (or so) doses of Pfizer have been registered on the Italian website for that.
So we've got enough for about a week or so. Pfizer has at least gone very slightly over its target for the end of March.
Note that we've still only had 2.5 million AstraZeneca doses, and the target for the end of March was 4.1 million:
This was already less that an estimate which was on the news about 6 weeks ago of 5.3 million by the end of March.shpalman wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:48 pmAt Raccomandazioni ad interim sui gruppi target della vaccinazione anti-SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 there's a pdf (in Italian) updated about a week ago: http://www.salute.gov.it/imgs/C_17_pubb ... legato.pdf
Pages 12-15 have some numbers on: how many millions* of doses are supposed to arrive (4,165,000 AstraZeneca before the end of March, for example...
Which means that maybe 3 million will have received both doses of any* vaccine by the end of March, compared to the plan in January of 5.9 million.
Maybe it's because Italians don't love each other enough and nothing to do with the UK bogarting all the f.cking jabs.
(Italy has been managing about a quarter of a million doses per day.)
* either - there's only Pfizer and AstraZeneca, Moderna hardly counts.
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Lombardy will start with the over-70's on the 2nd of April.
Well, they'll start letting them make appointments. The vaccinations won't start until after the over-80's are finished, on the 11th of April, "straight after Easter".
Well, they'll start letting them make appointments. The vaccinations won't start until after the over-80's are finished, on the 11th of April, "straight after Easter".
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As the saying goes, the best vaccine is the one you’re offered. Bonkers to hold out for another one.
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There was a plan to set up a mass-vaccination hub in a car park next to a leisure centre on the edge of town, but Bertalaso said "fa schifo" so intead it will be at Villa Erba, which is very nice, assuming you can negotiate the traffic on the narrow lake-village roads.
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A whole 'nother 278,400 AstraZeneca doses were delivered today, taking the total so far to 2,752,400.
They're only 1.4 million short compared to what they'd said they'd deliver before the end of the first quarter so I look forward to all those arriving in the next two days.
(That kind of number of missing doses puts us about a week behind, but of course we'd be doing more doses per day if they were arriving).
They're only 1.4 million short compared to what they'd said they'd deliver before the end of the first quarter so I look forward to all those arriving in the next two days.
(That kind of number of missing doses puts us about a week behind, but of course we'd be doing more doses per day if they were arriving).
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