USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

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Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Post by Herainestold » Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:13 pm

bolo wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:01 pm
I agree with that, and especially because the rollout is going so fast now that by the time you got finished arguing about a changed strategy, it might be overtaken by events anyway. As of this week, everyone 16+ is now eligible, and availability is far better than it used to be. BoloJr (age 17, no aggravating conditions or special status) was able to get an appointment yesterday to be vaccinated today.
I'm not a fan of America, but I am impressed with the way they can produce vaccines. I just hope they can do something for places like Michigan where people are suffering greatly

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Post by Martin_B » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:29 am

Herainestold wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:13 pm
bolo wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:01 pm
I agree with that, and especially because the rollout is going so fast now that by the time you got finished arguing about a changed strategy, it might be overtaken by events anyway. As of this week, everyone 16+ is now eligible, and availability is far better than it used to be. BoloJr (age 17, no aggravating conditions or special status) was able to get an appointment yesterday to be vaccinated today.
I'm not a fan of America, but I am impressed with the way they can produce vaccines. I just hope they can do something for places like Michigan where people are suffering greatly
I could be flippant here and say Michigan residents are used to it :evil:
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Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Post by dyqik » Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:38 am

bolo wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:01 pm
I agree with that, and especially because the rollout is going so fast now that by the time you got finished arguing about a changed strategy, it might be overtaken by events anyway. As of this week, everyone 16+ is now eligible, and availability is far better than it used to be. BoloJr (age 17, no aggravating conditions or special status) was able to get an appointment yesterday to be vaccinated today.
Yeah, both me and my wife (no aggravating conditions except having BMIs marginally above 25, which MA allowed a week before general availability) have now had our first doses, and will be fully vaccinated in 4 weeks time.

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Post by Woodchopper » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:18 pm

Millions of Americans are not getting the second doses of their Covid-19 vaccines, and their ranks are growing.

More than five million people, or nearly 8 percent of those who got a first shot of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, have missed their second doses, according to the most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That is more than double the rate among people who got inoculated in the first several weeks of the nationwide vaccine campaign.

Even as the country wrestles with the problem of millions of people who are wary about getting vaccinated at all, local health authorities are confronting an emerging challenge of ensuring that those who do get inoculated are doing so fully.

The reasons vary for why people are missing their second shots. In interviews, some said they feared the side effects, which can include flulike symptoms. Others said they felt that they were sufficiently protected with a single shot.

Those attitudes were expected, but another hurdle has been surprisingly prevalent. A number of vaccine providers have canceled second-dose appointments because they ran out of supply or didn’t have the right brand in stock.

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While millions of people have missed their second shots, the overall rates of follow-through, with some 92 percent getting fully vaccinated, are strong by historical standards. Roughly three-quarters of adults come back for their second dose of the vaccine that protects against shingles.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/busi ... doses.html

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Post by shpalman » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:48 pm

Woodchopper wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:18 pm
Millions of Americans are not getting the second doses of their Covid-19 vaccines, and their ranks are growing.

More than five million people, or nearly 8 percent of those who got a first shot of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, have missed their second doses, according to the most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That is more than double the rate among people who got inoculated in the first several weeks of the nationwide vaccine campaign.

Even as the country wrestles with the problem of millions of people who are wary about getting vaccinated at all, local health authorities are confronting an emerging challenge of ensuring that those who do get inoculated are doing so fully.

The reasons vary for why people are missing their second shots. In interviews, some said they feared the side effects, which can include flulike symptoms. Others said they felt that they were sufficiently protected with a single shot.

Those attitudes were expected, but another hurdle has been surprisingly prevalent. A number of vaccine providers have canceled second-dose appointments because they ran out of supply or didn’t have the right brand in stock.

[...]

While millions of people have missed their second shots, the overall rates of follow-through, with some 92 percent getting fully vaccinated, are strong by historical standards. Roughly three-quarters of adults come back for their second dose of the vaccine that protects against shingles.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/busi ... doses.html
Ok but according to Our World in Data nearly 30% of the US population are "fully vaccinated" (40% "at least one dose") and I doubt there are any other major countries which have managed that.

The EU is at about 20% one-dosed and less than 10% fully vaccinated. The UK has fully vaccinated 17%.
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Post by Herainestold » Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:01 pm

The US vaccine roll out is slowing, with clinics closing because of lack of demand in some places and other places begging for doses. At the same time new variant cases are surging at the same time as mask mandates and other restrictions are loosening.
More than 50,000 new U.S. cases were reported on Saturday, and case rates are similar to those of the second wave last summer. But the average number of vaccine doses being administered each day, which rose for months and peaked at 3.38 million, has now fallen to 2.86 million, its lowest level since March 31, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/25 ... _new=false

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Post by bolo » Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:10 pm

The recent slowdown in vaccination is mostly due to the temporary suspension of J&J, which has now ended.

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Post by Herainestold » Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:13 pm

bolo wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:10 pm
The recent slowdown in vaccination is mostly due to the temporary suspension of J&J, which has now ended.
I think it is more than that, but we will see.

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Post by bolo » Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:18 pm

Have a look at the third chart here:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... doses.html

Pfizer and Moderna doses have dipped, but only modestly compared to J&J.

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Post by Herainestold » Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:31 pm

bolo wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:18 pm
Have a look at the third chart here:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... doses.html

Pfizer and Moderna doses have dipped, but only modestly compared to J&J.
Hmm. Point taken. Lets hope vaccine uptake ramps up this coming week

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Post by headshot » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:39 am

Jesus Christ. Tucker Carlson has jumped several sharks here:

https://youtu.be/yXmeHuR9M9U

He's completely deranged.

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Post by Herainestold » Mon May 03, 2021 5:04 am

Brookline MA, the second-most educated town in the country, has decided to overrule the CDC and keep an outdoor mask mandate in place: https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/05/01/cor
https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/statu ... 4421009410

Are there places in the UK with an outdoor mask mandate? -Borough market is all I can think of and google doesnt find more.
I am still masking outdoors as I anticipate an unlockdown wave fueled by variants. We are going to have to be cautious for the rest of 2021.

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Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Post by bolo » Tue May 04, 2021 3:04 am

The FDA is expected to approve the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds later this week.

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Post by bolo » Tue May 11, 2021 2:07 pm

bolo wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 3:04 am
The FDA is expected to approve the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds later this week.
So it took them a few days longer than the rumors anticipated:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... rgency-use

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Post by bolo » Sun May 16, 2021 2:31 pm

With vaccination bringing case rates down, businesses around here are doing better, and there are.signs of some upward wage pressure. Three bits of local anecdata from this week:

We went back (sitting outside) to a restaurant we used to go to regularly. They dropped from 80 staff before the pandemic to 16, but are now hiring as fast as they can, which isn't as fast as they'd like.

Another local restaurant has a sign up offering $20/hour for experienced waiters.

A local UHaul place has a huge sign up offering $13/hour, a $100 starting bonus, and "quick hire, quick pay" with no mention of skills or experience. This is the big sign in front that would usually be aimed at attracting customers, not staff.

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Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Post by dyqik » Sun May 16, 2021 11:08 pm

bolo wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 2:07 pm
bolo wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 3:04 am
The FDA is expected to approve the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds later this week.
So it took them a few days longer than the rumors anticipated:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... rgency-use
Next door neighbor's 12 year old got it yesterday, so it's now really not long from approval to being in arms.

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Post by monkey » Mon May 17, 2021 1:28 am

dyqik wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 11:08 pm
bolo wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 2:07 pm
bolo wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 3:04 am
The FDA is expected to approve the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds later this week.
So it took them a few days longer than the rumors anticipated:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... rgency-use
Next door neighbor's 12 year old got it yesterday, so it's now really not long from approval to being in arms.
Dunno what it's like where you are, but there's plenty of spare vaccines here, for the wrong reasons.

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Re: USA: covid, vaccine rollout, and new levels of idiocy

Post by Herainestold » Mon May 17, 2021 1:54 am

monkey wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 1:28 am
dyqik wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 11:08 pm
bolo wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 2:07 pm

So it took them a few days longer than the rumors anticipated:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... rgency-use
Next door neighbor's 12 year old got it yesterday, so it's now really not long from approval to being in arms.
Dunno what it's like where you are, but there's plenty of spare vaccines here, for the wrong reasons.
Don't give them away. You are going to need them once the Indian variant makes its way there. Mind you, it would be better to vaccinate people now.

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