Met Police was (and still is) institutionally corrupt
Met Police was (and still is) institutionally corrupt
The thing with bad apples is that if you don't remove them they spoil the whole barrel, something those who like to use the first part of the saying seem to forget.
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Excellent point.
And remember that if you botch the exit, the carnival of reaction may be coming to a town near you.
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And the analogy is that it is the *barrel* not the *batch*
Which is precisely what happens.
In some US police forces, cops have been fired for not shooting people who are not a threat because it was against the training
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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To extend the analogy, I think the problem with the police isn't that there are a few bad apples, it's that the barrel is rotten and it doesn't matter how many good apples go in, they'll all turn bad.
Institutional racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, isn't unique to the police but it is well documented and while there are exceptionally awful officers who 'slip through' (if we're being generous) the problem is that the system is set up to work against minorities and without changing that system everything else is shuffling chairs on the Titanic.
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Fishnut wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:56 amTo extend the analogy, I think the problem with the police isn't that there are a few bad apples, it's that the barrel is rotten and it doesn't matter how many good apples go in, they'll all turn bad.
Institutional racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, isn't unique to the police but it is well documented and while there are exceptionally awful officers who 'slip through' (if we're being generous) the problem is that the system is set up to work against minorities and without changing that system everything else is shuffling chairs on the Titanic.
Indeed that was the point - the mould goes into the wood.
I've started a thread that's related to the institutionally bad culture at the Met.
Cressida Dick, the commissioner of the Metropolitan police, has been personally censured for hampering an inquiry into police corruption in the long-running Daniel Morgan murder case.
The report of an independent panel inquiring into his death in 1987 found that the Met was “institutionally corrupt” in its handling of the case and accused the force of placing concerns about its reputation above properly investigating. It said the Met misled the public and Morgan’s grieving family.
It said the Met delayed handing over vital documents, which then delayed the work of the panel, which was set up in 2013 but is only able to report now, eight years later.
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My point was more that it's the other way round - good people go bad because the system is set up badly. We need a new system.
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was
lol
They only released the report under duress. The whole Home Office has been rotten for ever.
lol
They only released the report under duress. The whole Home Office has been rotten for ever.
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Which we already knew anyway. Just to make sure of that, BBC recently had a 3-part series on the corruption of the Met and City of London police back then. Really terrible it was. They even managed to scupper the investigation so that only 3 went to prison. The most senior officer fingered for it won an appeal on a technicality and got out of prison after a year. But an awful lot had to leave.
So nothing new to see here. Move on down the street please, keep up the social distancing.
So nothing new to see here. Move on down the street please, keep up the social distancing.
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The mould goes into the wood from the bad apple & then if affects all other apples into the future.
The concept of having a police force isn't inherently bad, ergo the barrel was not made with bad wood. But letting the bad apples remain has made the wood bad and now it needs replacing as it affects even good apples placed therein.
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In a statement, the Metropolitan Police said: "We deeply regret that no-one has been convicted of Daniel's murder"
In a statement, the Metropolitan Police should have said: "We deeply regret that our complicity meant that no-one has been convicted of Daniel's murder"
In a statement, the Metropolitan Police should have said: "We deeply regret that our complicity meant that no-one has been convicted of Daniel's murder"
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ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
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ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
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I first read about this story a few months ago. It's really quite nuts. Private investigator with an axe in the head. Police cover-up. Where's the little Belgian fella with the tache?
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Yes seeing what Tom Watson stated in Parliament - and which seems to have been borne out, it was bizarre and also heavily implicated News of the WorldBird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:37 pmI first read about this story a few months ago. It's really quite nuts. Private investigator with an axe in the head. Police cover-up. Where's the little Belgian fella with the tache?
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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The report actually says "is", not "was". Spokesman from police was on the news not exactly denying it, but minimising to close to nothing.
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https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed- ... r-a-decade
And now the Met is going to look into why it
didn't investigte years of claims of abuse by Epstein in the UK
And now the Met is going to look into why it
didn't investigte years of claims of abuse by Epstein in the UK
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The newspaper leading with "Rotten to the core" and "The damning dossier" entirely filling its front page this morning is, to my surprise at least, the Fail. It doesn't find the front page of the (other) tabloids, or even the FT. And just one of several leading stories in the Graun and other broadsheets.
Sometimes our prejudices are not confirmed. Though my prejudice still makes me wonder if they have an ulterior motive for this unexpected plod-bashing. For example, maybe they really don't like Ms Dick for different reasons, but find this a useful stick to beat her with.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-57492239
Sometimes our prejudices are not confirmed. Though my prejudice still makes me wonder if they have an ulterior motive for this unexpected plod-bashing. For example, maybe they really don't like Ms Dick for different reasons, but find this a useful stick to beat her with.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-57492239
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The Mail was very active in the Stephen Lawrence case in challenging the Met. and calling out the failures of the investigation and legal processes.IvanV wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:20 amThe newspaper leading with "Rotten to the core" and "The damning dossier" entirely filling its front page this morning is, to my surprise at least, the Fail. It doesn't find the front page of the (other) tabloids, or even the FT. And just one of several leading stories in the Graun and other broadsheets.
So not entirely unprecedented.
ETA - the Mail took an interest because Stephen's father had done some plastering at Paul Dacre's house. On such small connections are things done
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ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
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Surely the only appropriate response to this news is "no sh.t, Sherlock".
Yes, I know he's a consulting detective & not a police officer, but "No sh.t, Lestrade" isn't a saying
Yes, I know he's a consulting detective & not a police officer, but "No sh.t, Lestrade" isn't a saying
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I've moved posts on police corruption here from the male violence thread
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The Mail, despite its gruesome opinion columnists, still does loads of investigation and proper journalism as well. They kind of hold their own version of the moral high ground.Gfamily wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:42 amThe Mail was very active in the Stephen Lawrence case in challenging the Met. and calling out the failures of the investigation and legal processes.IvanV wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:20 amThe newspaper leading with "Rotten to the core" and "The damning dossier" entirely filling its front page this morning is, to my surprise at least, the Fail. It doesn't find the front page of the (other) tabloids, or even the FT. And just one of several leading stories in the Graun and other broadsheets.
So not entirely unprecedented.
ETA - the Mail took an interest because Stephen's father had done some plastering at Paul Dacre's house. On such small connections are things done
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I think they also like to promote the line that everything is terrible and untrustworthy and corrupt (except the Mail themselves, of course). People buy into right-wing shite more if they're afraid and distrustful, so purveyors of right-wing shite need to maximise the number of things their customers fear and distrust.
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I thought the m**l was using Lawrence as a hammer to attack the pinko legal establishments fondness for thw right to silence and double jeapardy etc
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How would you go about mending the Met? I can't see that you could close it down and start again, you could never fire that many officers, the police unions would never allow it and there would have to be some sort of continuity to allow policing to continue.
Is it a small number of "rotten apples" with the rest being honest cops trying to hold it together or is there a systematic criminality running through the length and breadth of the force?
Is it a small number of "rotten apples" with the rest being honest cops trying to hold it together or is there a systematic criminality running through the length and breadth of the force?
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One of the possible solutions is to have police forces investigated by other police forces, but the independence needs to be real and I’m not sure how you guarantee that.Boustrophedon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:22 pmHow would you go about mending the Met? I can't see that you could close it down and start again, you could never fire that many officers, the police unions would never allow it and there would have to be some sort of continuity to allow policing to continue.
Is it a small number of "rotten apples" with the rest being honest cops trying to hold it together or is there a systematic criminality running through the length and breadth of the force?
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There was root and branch reform in Northern Ireland.Boustrophedon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:22 pmHow would you go about mending the Met? I can't see that you could close it down and start again, you could never fire that many officers, the police unions would never allow it and there would have to be some sort of continuity to allow policing to continue.