US police & murders of black men
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having that swing is a necessary but not sufficient condition for it meaning a thing
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And don't forget that bodycam footage contradicted the initial police reports.shpalman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:57 pmMario Gonzalez dies after police pin him to the ground for five minutes
Should be perjury or obstruction of justice for the other cops who were witnesses as well
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Pretty much every time there's footage of any sort it seems to contradict the police report (see, e.g., the George Floyd report I posted above).jimbob wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:04 pmAnd don't forget that bodycam footage contradicted the initial police reports.shpalman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:57 pmMario Gonzalez dies after police pin him to the ground for five minutes
Should be perjury or obstruction of justice for the other cops who were witnesses as well
You'd think that any conviction that rested substantially on the testimony of any proven-liar cop would immediately be unsafe and quashed - were there any justice.
But suffice to say I don't think police reports, at least in the US, a worth anything much as a source of accurate information.
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Following on from this, Skeptics in the Pub Online tomorrow is with Alex Vitale at 7pm on Twitch.Fishnut wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:50 amVerso Books have made the ebook of The End of Policing by Alex Vitale free for an undisclosed length of time. I haven't finished reading it yet but what I have read has been truly eye-opening.
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Ooo very good, thanks.Fishnut wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:51 pmFollowing on from this, Skeptics in the Pub Online tomorrow is with Alex Vitale at 7pm on Twitch.Fishnut wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:50 amVerso Books have made the ebook of The End of Policing by Alex Vitale free for an undisclosed length of time. I haven't finished reading it yet but what I have read has been truly eye-opening.
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Alex Vitale is a week tomorrow, I'm afraid you'll have to wait a bit. Not on this topic but tomorrow is Marianna Spring, the BBC's first disinformation and social media reporter, which should also be good .
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So it is. I don't know what's wrong with me, I keep thinking it's May already. I also thought it was Tuesday today. God I need to get some variety in my life, the monotony is destroying my sense of time.Matatouille wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:47 pmAlex Vitale is a week tomorrow, I'm afraid you'll have to wait a bit. Not on this topic but tomorrow is Marianna Spring, the BBC's first disinformation and social media reporter, which should also be good .
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If it's any consolation I didn't notice the date either, and even put it in my calendar.
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https://www.dailykos.com/story/2021/4/2 ... ent-voting
Ex-Georgia deputy boasted of charging Black people with felonies to make sure they lost their vote
amongst other things
Ex-Georgia deputy boasted of charging Black people with felonies to make sure they lost their vote
amongst other things
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https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/i ... g-database
Police in Phoenix invented a gang (ACAB) so they could add protestors to the state gang membership database and charge them with gang-related crimes.
Police in Phoenix invented a gang (ACAB) so they could add protestors to the state gang membership database and charge them with gang-related crimes.
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How many of the police are being charged with perjury?jimbob wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:31 pmhttps://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/i ... g-database
Police in Phoenix invented a gang (ACAB) so they could add protestors to the state gang membership database and charge them with gang-related crimes.
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I don't know - but qualified immunity seems to be very common and is pretty much immunity without any qualifications for police officers on duty in many jurisdictions in the USdyqik wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:30 amHow many of the police are being charged with perjury?jimbob wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:31 pmhttps://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/i ... g-database
Police in Phoenix invented a gang (ACAB) so they could add protestors to the state gang membership database and charge them with gang-related crimes.
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Let us not forget that in Britain, the courts used to believe the police's unlikely evidence more often than not until quite recently. Numerous cases where the police explained serious damage to the accused as self-inflicted was accepted by the court. The attitude of the establishment 40 years ago is well summed up by Lord Denning in his 1980 comments on the possibility of an appeal by the Birmingham Six.
'Just consider the course of events if their action were to proceed to trial ... If the six men failed it would mean that much time and money and worry would have been expended by many people to no good purpose. If they won, it would mean that the police were guilty of perjury; that they were guilty of violence and threats; that the confessions were involuntary and improperly admitted in evidence; and that the convictions were erroneous. ... That was such an appalling vista that every sensible person would say, "It cannot be right that these actions should go any further." '
Clearly things have changed for the better. But let us not forget how recent that is, and how hard fought.
'Just consider the course of events if their action were to proceed to trial ... If the six men failed it would mean that much time and money and worry would have been expended by many people to no good purpose. If they won, it would mean that the police were guilty of perjury; that they were guilty of violence and threats; that the confessions were involuntary and improperly admitted in evidence; and that the convictions were erroneous. ... That was such an appalling vista that every sensible person would say, "It cannot be right that these actions should go any further." '
Clearly things have changed for the better. But let us not forget how recent that is, and how hard fought.
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Indeed and don't forget the Daniel Morgan murder, which is incredibly bad looking for many parts of the MetIvanV wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pmLet us not forget that in Britain, the courts used to believe the police's unlikely evidence more often than not until quite recently. Numerous cases where the police explained serious damage to the accused as self-inflicted was accepted by the court. The attitude of the establishment 40 years ago is well summed up by Lord Denning in his 1980 comments on the possibility of an appeal by the Birmingham Six.
'Just consider the course of events if their action were to proceed to trial ... If the six men failed it would mean that much time and money and worry would have been expended by many people to no good purpose. If they won, it would mean that the police were guilty of perjury; that they were guilty of violence and threats; that the confessions were involuntary and improperly admitted in evidence; and that the convictions were erroneous. ... That was such an appalling vista that every sensible person would say, "It cannot be right that these actions should go any further." '
Clearly things have changed for the better. But let us not forget how recent that is, and how hard fought.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Other
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Of course it wouldn't do to fire a police officer who was actually convicted of murder due to excessive force whilst on duty.
https://www.al.com/news/2021/05/whitmir ... still.html
Whilst putting those police officers who didn't shoot the murder victim on remedial training.
I don't know the race of the victim - but although US police shoot disproportionately high numbers of unarmed black men compared to other people they shoot, they also shoot lots of other people.
https://www.al.com/news/2021/05/whitmir ... still.html
Whilst putting those police officers who didn't shoot the murder victim on remedial training.
I don't know the race of the victim - but although US police shoot disproportionately high numbers of unarmed black men compared to other people they shoot, they also shoot lots of other people.
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Similar to when the officer who refused to kill got fired: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... es-lawsuit Again, another officer arrived and killed the guy. In that case the victime was black. In the Alabama case, he was white: https://www.blackstarnews.com/us-politi ... e-man-with
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Derek Chauvin gets 22-and-a-half years in jail for murdering George Floyd https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/de ... ar-AALs9ZI
The three other officers who encountered Mr Floyd that day are facing trial in August.
They and Chauvin also face federal charges of depriving Mr Floyd of his civil rights and a conviction carries a possible death sentence.
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Two years four months for every minute Chauvin knelt on Floyd's neck.jdc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:13 pmDerek Chauvin gets 22-and-a-half years in jail for murdering George Floyd https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/de ... ar-AALs9ZI
The three other officers who encountered Mr Floyd that day are facing trial in August.
They and Chauvin also face federal charges of depriving Mr Floyd of his civil rights and a conviction carries a possible death sentence.
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Any bets on how long he'll survive in prison?
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Maybe they'll keep him apart from the other cons. Otherwise not long.
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He’ll be fine in with the other white nationalists.
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I'm not sure he can remain a member of the police force while incarcerated.
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OofBird on a Fire wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:52 pmI'm not sure he can remain a member of the police force while incarcerated.
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Not a murder, merely an Ohio police chief retiring after a prank
https://t.co/OusP1ZEdfm?amp=1
because putting KKK stickers on a black subordinate's desk could in no way be considered harassment.
https://t.co/OusP1ZEdfm?amp=1
because putting KKK stickers on a black subordinate's desk could in no way be considered harassment.
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