That French curve is very similar to Germany's. Looks small, but it's still exponential growth. My prediction is that both countries will be back in the sh.t in a month if they don't tighten up their measures.
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Portugal is proving that point nicely right about nowsTeamTraen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:28 pmThat French curve is very similar to Germany's. Looks small, but it's still exponential growth. My prediction is that both countries will be back in the sh.t in a month if they don't tighten up their measures.
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Personally I like to be able to walk along pavements unobstructed, and dislike public spaces being privatised.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pmTo be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).
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Cafes would probably be ok. Town council and pubs/cafes have created a ‘European style’ outdoor dining area near the town centre here, since covid. It’s a bit less Parisian cafes and more Benidorm. On a hot, sunny day like today there will be a riot van parked there all day. Last bank holiday they put an ambulance there too, but I think they are all busy now.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pmTo be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).
I’d imagine there’s some very drunk, sunburnt people out there right now.
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OffTheRock wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:47 pmCafes would probably be ok. Town council and pubs/cafes have created a ‘European style’ outdoor dining area near the town centre here, since covid. It’s a bit less Parisian cafes and more Benidorm. On a hot, sunny day like today there will be a riot van parked there all day. Last bank holiday they put an ambulance there too, but I think they are all busy now.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pmTo be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).
I’d imagine there’s some very drunk, sunburnt people out there right now.
So just like Benidorm.
Who needs to worry about Red and Amber and quarantine and tests and vaccine passports when we can have the same experience much closer to home.
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Ours in UK was 70p cheaper.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:04 pmGot nasally gouged for 100€ this afternoon.
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There shouldn't be heaters regarless of decarbonisation. It's just plain wasteful.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pmTo be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).
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Yep. When I speak to people who have outdoor heaters, I ask them if they have outdoor air con too.
I was in and terrace cafe Santa Monica in 20c temps and they had the outdoor heaters on. I asked them to turn them off over our tables and the people (in T-shirt and shorts) next to us objected, saying they would get cold. I told them to “put a f.cking sweater on”. They didn’t appreciate that.
I was in and terrace cafe Santa Monica in 20c temps and they had the outdoor heaters on. I asked them to turn them off over our tables and the people (in T-shirt and shorts) next to us objected, saying they would get cold. I told them to “put a f.cking sweater on”. They didn’t appreciate that.
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I agree. There's an on-going row in my home town (Whitby) because some cafe owner has filled the Battery (a public space) with tables and chairs, blocking one of the access routes to the beach.Sciolus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:14 pmPersonally I like to be able to walk along pavements unobstructed, and dislike public spaces being privatised.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pmTo be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).
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Yes, I suppose the shortage of suitable spaces is a bit of an impediment. The UK doesn't really do wide pavements and big squares in the first place.
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Apparently it's only one particular bit "of France" which has a problem with the Beta.shpalman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:50 amQuarantine to remain for travellers returning to the UK, which has a large number of cases of a somewhat vaccine-resistant variant (delta) from France in case they bring a vaccine-resistant variant (beta) with them.
Their cases are going up too!
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But it spreads to other areas. In England it spread from the NW to NE.
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I'm in New York at the moment. Most of the restaurants now have some outdoor seating, but they've taken over parking spaces rather than sidewalks. There are temporary structures that separate you from the traffic and shelter you from the elements a bit. I like it.
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Actually, outdoor chillers are more sensible than outdoor heaters. When you heat the air it rises, losing it. But if you cool air, it sinks. So if you have something like an enclosed courtyard on a still day, you might get quite good value for your expended energy.
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Aren't most outdoor heaters those radiant heaters and meant to heat bodies rather than air?Millennie Al wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:04 amActually, outdoor chillers are more sensible than outdoor heaters. When you heat the air it rises, losing it. But if you cool air, it sinks. So if you have something like an enclosed courtyard on a still day, you might get quite good value for your expended energy.
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Why? That suggests you think that outdoor heating doesn't work, when it clearly does.
Outdoor heating makes warms up anyone near the heat source, as long as it continues to be a heat source. This must have been known by all hominid species since our long-gone ancestors discovered how to control fire.
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A heat source can be at ground level.Millennie Al wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:04 amActually, outdoor chillers are more sensible than outdoor heaters. When you heat the air it rises, losing it. But if you cool air, it sinks. So if you have something like an enclosed courtyard on a still day, you might get quite good value for your expended energy.
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Because sitting outside if you consider it too cold to do so, is as stupid as sitting in full sun if you consider it too hot to do so. Would you sit in full sun and try to cool the air around you? No, you'd sit in the shade or move to a cooler indoor space.tom p wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:17 amWhy? That suggests you think that outdoor heating doesn't work, when it clearly does.
Outdoor heating makes warms up anyone near the heat source, as long as it continues to be a heat source. This must have been known by all hominid species since our long-gone ancestors discovered how to control fire.
Too cold? Put on more clothes or move indoors. Don't heat the outdoors to make it more comfortable for your personal idea of warmth.
I'm not talking about existential levels of heating here - such as our ancestors experienced - I'm talking about being comfortable whilst having a latte in a modern urban setting where other options are clearly available.
*All of this is pre-Covid, of course.
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Environmentally, fair enough, but the way you wrote it is seemed like you were questioning the efficacy.headshot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:06 amBecause sitting outside if you consider it too cold to do so, is as stupid as sitting in full sun if you consider it too hot to do so. Would you sit in full sun and try to cool the air around you? No, you'd sit in the shade or move to a cooler indoor space.tom p wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:17 amWhy? That suggests you think that outdoor heating doesn't work, when it clearly does.
Outdoor heating makes warms up anyone near the heat source, as long as it continues to be a heat source. This must have been known by all hominid species since our long-gone ancestors discovered how to control fire.
Too cold? Put on more clothes or move indoors. Don't heat the outdoors to make it more comfortable for your personal idea of warmth.
I'm not talking about existential levels of heating here - such as our ancestors experienced - I'm talking about being comfortable whilst having a latte in a modern urban setting where other options are clearly available.
*All of this is pre-Covid, of course.
As for stupidity, you're just being silly. It's perfectly possible to go out when it's lovely and warm and you don't need a sweater, then be having such a nice time that you decide you want to stay where you are rather than go home. But now it's cooler and it's definitely sweater weather. Would you rather stay outside, e.g. in the beer garden, or go inside where it's darker, dingier & less fresh and there's an increased risk of catching an airborne respiratory illness from the other people around?
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International travel during covid sucks.
I've had palpitations pretty much non stop for the last week, as there have just been so many things to potentially go wrong.
None if it happened - even the surprise baggage handler strike at the weekend was done by this morning. I'm now in Iceland, quarantining in a hotel for the next 5 days before I can get on with my PhD shizz.
Hopefully by tomorrow whatever's trying to fight its way out of my ribcage will have dissipated.
Shitloads of tourists here, though. Apparently they don't share my disposition!
I've had palpitations pretty much non stop for the last week, as there have just been so many things to potentially go wrong.
None if it happened - even the surprise baggage handler strike at the weekend was done by this morning. I'm now in Iceland, quarantining in a hotel for the next 5 days before I can get on with my PhD shizz.
Hopefully by tomorrow whatever's trying to fight its way out of my ribcage will have dissipated.
Shitloads of tourists here, though. Apparently they don't share my disposition!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/57888745shpalman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:13 amA person has tested positive for Covid-19 at the Tokyo Olympics athletes’ village!shpalman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:10 pmTokyo 2020 Games may have to be held behind closed doors, says Lord Coe
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A female United States gymnast tested positive for Covid and a team member has been identified as a close contact.
Earlier organisers confirmed six new cases connected to the Olympics including media, contractors and other personnel, bringing the total number of positive cases to 62.
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Now it seems you don't have to self-isolate if you're coming from that bit "of France": https://twitter.com/AlexSeale/status/14 ... 82635?s=19shpalman wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:59 pmApparently it's only one particular bit "of France" which has a problem with the Beta.shpalman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:50 amQuarantine to remain for travellers returning to the UK, which has a large number of cases of a somewhat vaccine-resistant variant (delta) from France in case they bring a vaccine-resistant variant (beta) with them.
Their cases are going up too!
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Restaurants in Dubai have outdoor aircon. The terrace area will have fans on three sides blowing cold air over the diners.
On two of the three side this then creates a problem of even hotter air than ambient being blown vigorously over diners at the terrace of the restaurant next door. So that restaurant also has to install air conditioners. Walking between the backs of the two sets of units blowing hot air at each other is not recommended.
On the third side this means that any pedestrians walking past get hit by air at 60C instead of the prevailing 42C. But anyone walking in Dubai is a poor immigrant worker and so can f.ck off, we're having a gorgeous lunch here darling mwah mwah.
tl;dr Dubai is the canonical shithole.
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