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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by dyqik » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:26 pm

plodder wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:30 pm
no, politically impossible. remember all those options being put before a hung parliament, failing to get approval, followed by the general election?
Because members and supporters of the current government prevented it, in other words.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:28 pm

dyqik wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:26 pm
plodder wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:30 pm
no, politically impossible. remember all those options being put before a hung parliament, failing to get approval, followed by the general election?
Because members and supporters of the current government prevented it, in other words.
Such that the government ended up having to accept whatever worse deal was on the table when the clock ran out.
molto tricky

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by plodder » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:43 pm

which is a pretty awesome definition of "politically impossible", thanks

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by IvanV » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:53 pm

F Scott Fitzgerald wrote:The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.
Though I guess, like all the best quotes, it is apocryphal. Nevertheless, on such grounds one might suspect Dominic Cummings of a first-rate intelligence. If one believes he retains the ability to function.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57882892 wrote:But, Mr Cummings tells the BBC that anyone who says they are sure, five years after the result, that Brexit is a good thing must "have a screw loose".

However, he adds: "Obviously I think Brexit was a good thing."

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Sciolus » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:51 pm

There are lots of things I think that I'm not sure of.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Bird on a Fire » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:26 pm

Sciolus wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:51 pm
There are lots of things I think that I'm not sure of.
There's a quote I've been trying to track down, along the following lines but I'm sure I'll butcher it.

Basically a reasonable person proceeds as if all of their beliefs are true, but also that any one of their beliefs might turn out to be false, simultaneously.

Sounds about right to me.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by plodder » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:30 am

Here’s a lukewarm take on the UK’s command paper: https://mobile.twitter.com/AntonSpisak/ ... 6591070208

The only thing I think they’ve missed is that we’re playing for time - which is why we don’t mind if the conversations are difficult or protracted. Fun trying to guess which points we’ll concede on to finally get there.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by cvb » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:45 am

plodder wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:30 am
Here’s a lukewarm take on the UK’s command paper: https://mobile.twitter.com/AntonSpisak/ ... 6591070208

The only thing I think they’ve missed is that we’re playing for time - which is why we don’t mind if the conversations are difficult or protracted. Fun trying to guess which points we’ll concede on to finally get there.
That was a good thread. Thanks.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by plodder » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:28 am

MEPs appear to agree. Not sure exactly when the ball is back in the UK’s court, or if there’s an upcoming deadline that will act as a pinch point.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DPhinnemore/ ... 7037754372

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Little waster » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:17 am

This week the biotech company I work for decided to cease all trading with Italy as the post-Brexit delays* and paperwork involved in exporting there has rendered it uneconomic. That's about 4% of our sales gone.

We've had similar issues with Spain and Holland so they may follow too, with question marks around the rest of the EU.

Meanwhile, Australia still represents <0.1% of our sales and is likely to continue to do so unless the government decide to launch a Tim-Tams-for-Stem-Cells exchange scheme. Sales to the Faroe Islands remain solidly consistent though, matching our sales to Namibia, Neptune's moon Triton and Narnia.

We also continue to struggle to recruit from the EU despite formerly getting about 25% of our staff, all but one of which have left in the last two years. Turns out geriatric Leave-voters from Blyth don't fancy relocating to Cambridge to retrain as molecular biologists for some unexpected reason.




*most of our products are shipped on dry ice or in LN2 so even a day or two's delay can make the difference between viable product and expensive lukewarm mush.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:41 am

molto tricky

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Bird on a Fire » Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:31 pm

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by plodder » Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:28 pm

ah cool. October and January deadlines. I won’t hold my breath...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... negotiated

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Bird on a Fire » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:07 am

Wow, what dipshits. "This deal we negotiated sucks!"
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Allo V Psycho » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:22 pm

Hadn't seen this one
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/28/busi ... index.html

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:06 am

molto tricky

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Trinucleus » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:58 pm

We've not quite got this building relationships with your trade partners thing, have we?

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by veravista » Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:00 am

Vodaphone - we have no plans to introduce roaming charges for UK users in the EU introduce roaming charges for UK users in the EU. As one commentator said it's not a roaming charge, it's a sovereignty fee.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by jdc » Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:33 am

You're all so negative. It's not all bad news - there's been an increase in trade between NI and ROI https://www.irishtimes.com/business/con ... -1.4648728
Imports from Britain fell by 32 per cent or €2.5 billion in the first six months of this year ... Meanwhile, the level of imports from Northern Ireland rose by €776 million
eta: this has more - https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.4648699
Imports from Northern Ireland to the Republic have risen by 77 per cent since the UK left the EU at the start of the year, while the value of exports from the Republic to the North has risen by 43 per cent, according to fresh Central Statistics Office (CSO) data.

The agency’s latest trade numbers show the value of goods imports from Northern Ireland rose to €1.77 billion in the first six months of 2021, up from just under €1 billion for the same period last year.

Exports to the North, meanwhile, rose to €1.57 billion, up from €1.1 billion last year.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by IvanV » Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:59 am

jdc wrote:
Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:33 am
You're all so negative. It's not all bad news - there's been an increase in trade between NI and ROI https://www.irishtimes.com/business/con ... -1.4648728
There's a lot of them there that would find that a rather offensive joke.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by headshot » Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:28 pm

The Sun almost has a moment of self-awareness…
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by headshot » Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:55 pm

Bah, try this:

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Little waster » Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:03 pm

And in just case anyone thought this was just an echo-chamber of Remoaners seeing what they want to see, I popped into our local Co-op* to be greeted by an automated message apologising for all the shortages. So not only there are shortages but they are frequent enough to make it worth while recording an automated message.

Meanwhile 5 years after the vote and 18 months after it bl..dy happened I'm still waiting for a Brexiteer to point to a single concrete Brexit win without using the phrase "blue passports". :|



*a large, city supermarket rather than a tiny, rural shop.
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