https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -july-2021
JCVI statement on COVID-19 vaccination of children and young people aged 12 to 17 years: 15 July 2021
Explains the rationale for not recommending vaccinating children
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -july-2021
JCVI statement on COVID-19 vaccination of children and young people aged 12 to 17 years: 15 July 2021
He's drawing some pretty hefty conclusions from some pretty ropey data sources.shpalman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:14 amhas the UK run out of Pfizers?
Bit of a problem if you only have AstraZenecas left but you decided not to give them to young people, whose turn it is to get vaccinated now.
UK Gov are refusing to answer questions about supply (for security reasons), but it's possible we've received more than we expected - in June a government that is less worried about the security implications than ours said thatJon Worth wrote:Follow up 2
@PaulMainwood
says my point about mRNA shortage for adults is wrong. There’s enough Moderna to go around. I trust he’s right about this, but if reticence about vaccines is the reason there… then is that worse still?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge ... 021-06-27/Moderna will increase its deliveries to 1.33 million doses a week in July from 733,000 previously expected, raising the figure to 2.57 million a week in August and 2.95 million a week in September
@jneill on twitter is following the case and hospitalization rate in chidren.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:04 pmhttps://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -july-2021
JCVI statement on COVID-19 vaccination of children and young people aged 12 to 17 years: 15 July 2021
Explains the rationale for not recommending vaccinating children
https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandem ... -teenagers
European countries are almost evenly split on whether to administer coronavirus vaccinations to teenagers as alarm mounts on the continent about a possible fourth wave of infections.
Sixteen countries, including France and Italy, are now vaccinating children above the age of 12 or plan to do so; while 17 countries have decided against, or will only jab teenagers, if they have serious underlying health conditions.
Another four countries remain undecided.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21260998v1Risk of Myocarditis from COVID-19 Infection in People Under Age 20: A Population-Based Analysis
Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine.
I read somewhere that the risk of myocarditis in young males seems to be correlated with the second shot. It was suggested that for those people one shot would be an option.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:21 amhttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21260998v1Risk of Myocarditis from COVID-19 Infection in People Under Age 20: A Population-Based Analysis
Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine.
If confirmed would be evidence in favour of vaccination.
Handy summary of the other countries https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... inst-covidshpalman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:48 pmUK children aged 16 and 17 expected to be offered Covid vaccine
Of course some countries are already vaccinating 12 and above.
I haven’t looked it up but one issue is likely to be whether a state is vaccinating children, and how long they’ve been vaccinating them. Hitherto the UK hasn’t, and has only just decided to vaccinate 16 and 17 year olds. A state, say, with a program to vaccinate 12-17 year olds and that started earlier would be able to easily vaccinate more of the total population.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:06 pmThe UK rollout is lagging behind much of the EU. Portugal, along with Malta, Belgium, Spain, Denmark and Ireland, all have more folk fully jabbed. The UK is even delivering fewer doses per day in absolute numbers, so it's not just because those are mostly countries with smaller populations.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... lout-slows
I guess hijacking vaccine supplies can only get you so far
Is it because the UK has more anti-vaxers than other countries, or is it just because the government doesn't give a crap about young people (see e.g. having "freedom day" before young people had a chance to get jabbed, even though they've been disproportionately exposed via work throughout the pandemic, not to mention the continuous avoidable f.ckups with education)?
Britain just decided to do an extra lap: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58091693
Huh? The UK hadn't even offered complete doses to all adults a month ago.
Portugal definitely isn't doing children (yet). Not sure about the others.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:16 pmI haven’t looked it up but one issue is likely to be whether a state is vaccinating children, and how long they’ve been vaccinating them. Hitherto the UK hasn’t, and has only just decided to vaccinate 16 and 17 year olds. A state, say, with a program to vaccinate 12-17 year olds and that started earlier would be able to easily vaccinate more of the total population.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:06 pmThe UK rollout is lagging behind much of the EU. Portugal, along with Malta, Belgium, Spain, Denmark and Ireland, all have more folk fully jabbed. The UK is even delivering fewer doses per day in absolute numbers, so it's not just because those are mostly countries with smaller populations.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... lout-slows
I guess hijacking vaccine supplies can only get you so far
Is it because the UK has more anti-vaxers than other countries, or is it just because the government doesn't give a crap about young people (see e.g. having "freedom day" before young people had a chance to get jabbed, even though they've been disproportionately exposed via work throughout the pandemic, not to mention the continuous avoidable f.ckups with education)?
UK 20-30 year olds have had the last year being told by media and politicians that covid doesn't affect young people and that only the old and the vulnerable are affected by it. Obviously the official NHS ads are different, but look at the messaging that's come from the central government and their favoured media outlets about how few people without an underlying condition have died, how young people have been making all the sacrifices to protect the elderly and vulnerable, how schools are safe because children/teens don't transmit covid and don't get very ill with it.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:43 pmPortugal definitely isn't doing children (yet). Not sure about the others.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:16 pmI haven’t looked it up but one issue is likely to be whether a state is vaccinating children, and how long they’ve been vaccinating them. Hitherto the UK hasn’t, and has only just decided to vaccinate 16 and 17 year olds. A state, say, with a program to vaccinate 12-17 year olds and that started earlier would be able to easily vaccinate more of the total population.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:06 pmThe UK rollout is lagging behind much of the EU. Portugal, along with Malta, Belgium, Spain, Denmark and Ireland, all have more folk fully jabbed. The UK is even delivering fewer doses per day in absolute numbers, so it's not just because those are mostly countries with smaller populations.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... lout-slows
I guess hijacking vaccine supplies can only get you so far
Is it because the UK has more anti-vaxers than other countries, or is it just because the government doesn't give a crap about young people (see e.g. having "freedom day" before young people had a chance to get jabbed, even though they've been disproportionately exposed via work throughout the pandemic, not to mention the continuous avoidable f.ckups with education)?
The UK seemed to run out of steam somewhere in the 20-30s, but the question is why - unusually skeptical youngsters, or governmental indifference towards non-Tory voting demographics?
That's true about the gaps. I've already been invited for my second one in Portugal exactly 28 days after the last - thoughas I'm in Iceland so I'll probably have a UK-length gap unless I can scrounge some Moderna here (apparently they are being very generous with students and temp workers etc).lpm wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:57 pmDon't forget the UK is deliberately keeping to 8 week gaps. Other countries give 2nd doses quicker but that could be less protective longer term.
It was the benefit of 1st doses for 18-30 that counted in the UK - appears to have stopped Delta's relentless rise. We desperately needed to finish first, due to over unlockdowning, and we did. EU countries could afford to go slower because they f.cked up delta less.
The evidence shows the 8 week gap to be efficacious. Depending on your circumstances I would wait. I have changed my mind on this, according to the results. Of course if you have an opportunity to get your second dose, please do it. Hope things are going well for you.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:57 pmThat's true about the gaps. I've already been invited for my second one in Portugal exactly 28 days after the last - thoughas I'm in Iceland so I'll probably have a UK-length gap unless I can scrounge some Moderna here (apparently they are being very generous with students and temp workers etc).lpm wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:57 pmDon't forget the UK is deliberately keeping to 8 week gaps. Other countries give 2nd doses quicker but that could be less protective longer term.
It was the benefit of 1st doses for 18-30 that counted in the UK - appears to have stopped Delta's relentless rise. We desperately needed to finish first, due to over unlockdowning, and we did. EU countries could afford to go slower because they f.cked up delta less.
Until Delta that was basically true.The mortality was much higher in older age groups. Of course that is ignoring things such as Long Covid.OffTheRock wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:31 pm
UK 20-30 year olds have had the last year being told by media and politicians that covid doesn't affect young people and that only the old and the vulnerable are affected by it. Obviously the official NHS ads are different, but look at the messaging that's come from the central government and their favoured media outlets about how few people without an underlying condition have died, how young people have been making all the sacrifices to protect the elderly and vulnerable, how schools are safe because children/teens don't transmit covid and don't get very ill with it.
Don't think Boris et al had really considered how they'd go from that to trying to get 20-30 year olds to get vaccinated. Especially since they are currently dropping masks, getting rid of all restrictions and just generally declaring the end of covid at the same time as trying to vaccinate the last age groups. I can see why someone in their 20s might not get jabbed or might not have got round to it yet without necessarily being 'anti-vax'. Why bother too much for a disease that will barely make you ill at all.
And? You're saying that as though it would be surprising.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:40 pmHuh? The UK hadn't even offered complete doses to all adults a month ago.
If the race is vaccinating people over 18, the UK gave up before the finish line.