I think Poland is the only major state where it isn’t available on demand for the first three months.
It’s banned in the Vatican, but only a handful of women live there. Possibly banned in a few other small states as well.
I think Poland is the only major state where it isn’t available on demand for the first three months.
Abortion technically isn't available on demand on the UK. It's only available under the Abortion Act under certain circumstances where there's:Woodchopper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:26 pmI think Poland is the only major state where it isn’t available on demand for the first three months.
It’s banned in the Vatican, but only a handful of women live there. Possibly banned in a few other small states as well.
Everywhere in Europe, leaving aside some microstates, it is legal on request except the UK, Finland, Poland and Malta. In the UK and Finland it is limited to "Risk to woman's life, to her health, rape, fetal impairment, or socioeconomic factors." But as we know, it is unusual to be refused one if you want one in the UK (except Northern Ireland until just now). Even Republic of Ireland is now more liberal than the UK.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:26 pmI think Poland is the only major state where it isn’t available on demand for the first three months.
It’s banned in the Vatican, but only a handful of women live there. Possibly banned in a few other small states as well.
Thanks for the link with detailed information. But it is just what I meant when I wrote those words.
OK, I understand now. I only read as far as the fact that abortion on demand was legalised in May 2020, which confirmed my understanding. I didn't read further on, nor realise, the deliberate (in)actions of the executive in refusing to implement what is now the law in NI. Though the London govt is trying to force them to implement it no later than March 2022.
This leaves in 'fatal impairment'. However, I am not clear that the drafter of the amendment understands the nature of the biology involved. For instance in anencephaly, the fetus may remain 'alive' until birth, but will then inevitably die at birth. It is therefore not a fatal fetal impairment. But forcing the mother to carry an anencephalic fetus to term poses an increased risk to the mother: childbirth is an inherently more risky process than a termination. And having to carry a doomed pregnancy to birth, having to give birth, and seeing your child suffering from such severe abnormalities is, I believe, actively cruel. Or a fetus may be diagnosed with Tay-Sachs syndrome. The baby will be born alive, but will start to show distressing symptoms in the first six months, and will die, generally by about 5 years old. These are only two examples of many possible.Separately, a ”non-executive bill” has also been introduced in the Northern Ireland Assembly on abortion in instances of severe fetal impairment. The Severe Fetal Impairment Abortion (Amendment) Bill (‘the SFIAA Bill’) was introduced on 16 February 2021 and, at the time of writing, had reached its Committee Stage. It seeks to remove the grounds for abortion in cases of severe fetal impairment by amending the Abortion (Northern Ireland) (No.2) Regulations 2020
As far as I can see, these "grounds" only apply after 12 weeks. No "grounds" are needed for an abortion within 12 weeks. Though a hospital that has a facility and system to carry it out is required, that is currently (thanks Sciolus) is the main impediment. (Unless, presumably, and not much use to many, you go private.)Allo V Psycho wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:08 amThanks for that link, Sciolus.
I note the last paragraph says:
This leaves in 'fatal impairment'. However, I am not clear that the drafter of the amendment understands the nature of the biology involved. For instance in anencephaly, the fetus may remain 'alive' until birth, but will then inevitably die at birth. It is therefore not a fatal fetal impairment. But forcing the mother to carry an anencephalic fetus to term poses an increased risk to the mother: childbirth is an inherently more risky process than a termination. And having to carry a doomed pregnancy to birth, having to give birth, and seeing your child suffering from such severe abnormalities is, I believe, actively cruel. Or a fetus may be diagnosed with Tay-Sachs syndrome. The baby will be born alive, but will start to show distressing symptoms in the first six months, and will die, generally by about 5 years old. These are only two examples of many possible.Separately, a ”non-executive bill” has also been introduced in the Northern Ireland Assembly on abortion in instances of severe fetal impairment. The Severe Fetal Impairment Abortion (Amendment) Bill (‘the SFIAA Bill’) was introduced on 16 February 2021 and, at the time of writing, had reached its Committee Stage. It seeks to remove the grounds for abortion in cases of severe fetal impairment by amending the Abortion (Northern Ireland) (No.2) Regulations 2020
The booking scan isn't carried out till between 10 and 14 weeks in the UK. NI Direct suggests 8 to 12 weeks in Northern Ireland. But dates 'of pregnancy' are not reliable, since they date from the flow phase of the last menstrual cycle, and the menstrual cycle is variable. Nor does the dating scan pick up many abnormalities: that is done at the anomaly scan, at 18-20 weeks. Women in all these cases should receive counselling on their options and the implications of the condition, and should be given due time to come to their best decision with regard to her choices. This is not possible with a 12 week limit.IvanV wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:52 pmAs far as I can see, these "grounds" only apply after 12 weeks. No "grounds" are needed for an abortion within 12 weeks.Allo V Psycho wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:08 amThanks for that link, Sciolus.
I note the last paragraph says:
This leaves in 'fatal impairment'. However, I am not clear that the drafter of the amendment understands the nature of the biology involved. For instance in anencephaly, the fetus may remain 'alive' until birth, but will then inevitably die at birth. It is therefore not a fatal fetal impairment. But forcing the mother to carry an anencephalic fetus to term poses an increased risk to the mother: childbirth is an inherently more risky process than a termination. And having to carry a doomed pregnancy to birth, having to give birth, and seeing your child suffering from such severe abnormalities is, I believe, actively cruel. Or a fetus may be diagnosed with Tay-Sachs syndrome. The baby will be born alive, but will start to show distressing symptoms in the first six months, and will die, generally by about 5 years old. These are only two examples of many possible.Separately, a ”non-executive bill” has also been introduced in the Northern Ireland Assembly on abortion in instances of severe fetal impairment. The Severe Fetal Impairment Abortion (Amendment) Bill (‘the SFIAA Bill’) was introduced on 16 February 2021 and, at the time of writing, had reached its Committee Stage. It seeks to remove the grounds for abortion in cases of severe fetal impairment by amending the Abortion (Northern Ireland) (No.2) Regulations 2020
This. Is. True.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:24 pm. Most of the deep red states seem to be a total f.cking lost cause at this point.
The Mexican Supreme Court has just ruled today that criminal penalties for abortion are unconstitutional, which means they abortion is now effectively decriminalized across Mexico, even if not legal.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:36 pmMaternal health, fetal deformities and rape are the only exceptions (see link):dyqik wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:37 pmI've seen traveling to Mexico given as one of the reasonable options for getting an abortion after 6 weeks from Texas. The states across the border apparently have large enough exceptions to make it a viable option.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:24 pmJust to add to the discussion of race and religion, abortion is also illegal in most of Mexico (including the states bordering Texas), where almost everybody is Hispanic and Catholic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Mexico
Oppressing women seems to be one of the areas where the malign influence of religion is most clear.
The new law is sick and inhumane, but thoroughly unsurprising. Most of the deep red states seem to be a total f.cking lost cause at this point.All states' penal codes permit abortions in cases of rape, and all but Guanajuato, Guerrero, and Querétaro's permit it to save the mother's life. Fourteen out of thirty-one expand these cases to include severe fetal deformities, and the state of Yucatán includes economic factors when the mother has previously given birth to three or more children.[19] Nevertheless, according to Jo Tuckman of The Guardian, in practice, almost no state provides access to abortions in the cases listed. They also prosecute neither the doctors who offer safe illegal abortions nor the cheaper life-threatening backstreet practitioners.[20]
Mexicans from northern states generally have to travel to Mexico City or do it illegally.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-jud ... 021-10-07/
A federal judge temporarily blocked on Wednesday a near-total ban on abortion in Texas, the toughest such law in the United States, following a challenge from President Joe Biden's administration after the U.S. Supreme Court let it proceed.
The action by U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman in Austin prevents the state from enforcing the Republican-backed law, which prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after six weeks of pregnancy, while litigation over its legality continues.
The case is part of a fierce legal battle over abortion access in the United States, with numerous states pursuing restrictions.
"This Court will not sanction one more day of this offensive deprivation of such an important right," Pitman said in the ruling.