Have you got them where you are? No sign here in Majawkah.
I think the point all along was to wait until Scotland announced them, then do a 180. So now the Tories can say "We are the party of freedom, the SNP wants a police state", etc etc.
Have you got them where you are? No sign here in Majawkah.
I think the point all along was to wait until Scotland announced them, then do a 180. So now the Tories can say "We are the party of freedom, the SNP wants a police state", etc etc.
Unfortunately, vaccination doesn't stop transmission, cases are still pretty high, and schools and unis are about to go back which, along with the coming of autumn/winter weather, is likely to cause a further spike in cases with attendant deaths and long-term damage.
Enforcing rules is literally what the police are for. I didn't have you pegged as an anarchist, lpm.
Yes, all it took was a mere novel viral zoonotic pandemic that killed, maimed and bereaved tens of millions of people, plunged the world into a recession and trapped us all inside our houses for months at a time. Piece of cake.
Another meaningless qualitative yes/no response when a quantitative answer is required.
I don't know if Italy has anything official based on % vaccinated; there's just the threat of bringing back restrictions based on % hospital occupancy. So I don't know the plan for being allowed to go dancing.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:44 pmYes, I think schools are the main unknown, along with the change in weather (and it rained a bit this morning, so we're getting there). Under 12s are all unvaccinated, 12-17s are at 80% first dose but only 25% complete, and people will be doing more mixing indoors.
Once we see the effects on case numbers (and more importantly illness and deaths) I suspect the public health bods will be coming up with a plan to continue reducing restrictions.
For now, the stages are based on % of population vaccinated, rather than just cases or deaths, and once we hit 85% complete they'll be opening bars and nightclubs "as normal" with a green pass. We're at 79% now with most of the outstanding unvaxxed in the <24 cohorts, who are obviously the people most likely to be clubbing so it makes sense.
This simply isn't accurate. UK cases are either creeping up or creeping down, depending on what testing assumptions you make. Basically flat.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:15 pmCases are coming down here, while going up in the UK.
The main utility of vaccine passports is to get the reluctant vaccinated. I don't expect it will have much effect on transmission.shpalman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:45 pmI haven't been watching the news this week because of dancing but Italy has just basically decided that anyone who goes to work will need a Green Pass (as of mid October).
Which basically means anyone with a job who wants to keep it has two weeks to finally get themselves vaccinated.
As if not dying wasn't a good enough reason, and being able to sit in a bar wasn't an even better reason.
Maybe that latter would have appealed more to people above retirement age, but there are still quite a few who aren't vaccinated.
The Lega, which behaves as if it's in opposition despite being part of the ruling coalition along with the M5S, has argued to at least have rapid tests be a bit cheaper and for their negative result to be valid for 72 hours instead of 48. Because despite all being vaccinated they pander to antivax morons like the populist tw.ts they are.
Covid cases rise by 7% in England to highest rate since mid-July
We will see lockdowns every winter, as the virus mutates and we have to protect the NHS.
The IFR for unvaccinated people who catch it the first time is order of 0.25-0.75% (less than your lifetime risk of dying from lots of other common, preventable causes). This then drops significantly after you've survived it once, unlike flu but similar to measles.Herainestold wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:45 pm
We will see lockdowns every winter, as the virus mutates and we have to protect the NHS.
I think the IFR for Delta is much higher, probably twice as high, but I couldnt find good figures.I don't know how long infection acquired immunity lasts from Delta, but we know that people can be re infected multiple times. Every time there is the risk of organ damage and Long Covid.sheldrake wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:32 amThe IFR for unvaccinated people who catch it the first time is order of 0.25-0.75% (less than your lifetime risk of dying from lots of other common, preventable causes). This then drops significantly after you've survived it once, unlike flu but similar to measles.Herainestold wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:45 pm
We will see lockdowns every winter, as the virus mutates and we have to protect the NHS.
Given the low mutation rate, don't you expect increasing numbers of people in the population to acquire long-lasting immunity from surviving the disease even if vaccine protection doesn't last so long?