Not my anecdote, champ.
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Look, this is data from 2019 but it's a US tech magazine that tracks all the tech startups, who invests in them etc..
The picture is very simillar. The data is from their own database of funding rounds etc..
The picture is very simillar. The data is from their own database of funding rounds etc..
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They've actually got data by quarter through to June 2021 now
See? UK tech investment is really really healthy compared to the rest of Europe.
I also know from my job how many positions big established tech companies are looking to move from the Coastal US to the UK next year (and it's been growing every year for several years now). Thousands of people to London, all on 6 figure incomes.
The UK has got lots of plusses from their perspective. It's much easier to hire good programmers here than on the west coast of the US now, their job market is completely saturated. We speak English. Immigration is much more relaxed here than the US. Lots of very skilled people are willing to move from Taiwan, Russia and India to live in London who wouldn't be interested in moving to Berlin or Paris.
See? UK tech investment is really really healthy compared to the rest of Europe.
I also know from my job how many positions big established tech companies are looking to move from the Coastal US to the UK next year (and it's been growing every year for several years now). Thousands of people to London, all on 6 figure incomes.
The UK has got lots of plusses from their perspective. It's much easier to hire good programmers here than on the west coast of the US now, their job market is completely saturated. We speak English. Immigration is much more relaxed here than the US. Lots of very skilled people are willing to move from Taiwan, Russia and India to live in London who wouldn't be interested in moving to Berlin or Paris.
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I don't see Luxembourg on that chart?
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Here are stats from earlier this year showing the exact opposite
https://investmentmonitor.ai/analysis/u ... cted-wound
https://investmentmonitor.ai/analysis/u ... cted-wound
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Which of the tables or charts in this article do you believe show that?plodder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:46 amHere are stats from earlier this year showing the exact opposite
https://investmentmonitor.ai/analysis/u ... cted-wound
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What an entertaining Gish Gallop this hasn’t been. Sadly Shelly’s derailed the entire thread with his stew of unreasoned, bad faith and obviously wrong arguments and statements.
Unless you enjoy hunting trolls, nothing good or useful is being done here by arguing with him. It’s pure 386ing, put him on ignore and get on with life.
Unless you enjoy hunting trolls, nothing good or useful is being done here by arguing with him. It’s pure 386ing, put him on ignore and get on with life.
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Sorry, what was useful about this thread before, apart from posting links and going "yeah that's bad" at each other?
having that swing is a necessary but not sufficient condition for it meaning a thing
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I have posted good quality data demonstrating the following: -bjn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:18 amWhat an entertaining Gish Gallop this hasn’t been. Sadly Shelly’s derailed the entire thread with his stew of unreasoned, bad faith and obviously wrong arguments and statements.
Unless you enjoy hunting trolls, nothing good or useful is being done here by arguing with him. It’s pure 386ing, put him on ignore and get on with life.
1) The UK has a thriving venture-capital backed technology sector that's gotten more vibrant since brexit
2) Investment hasn't collapsed. We've got the strongest inward investment in Europe after Luxembourg.
3) We have lower unemployment now than we did in 2016
4) Our economic growth is currently higher than most major European economies.
5) Immigration to the UK has increased, not decreased
6) Full time financial services employment in London has increased, not decreased.
7) Exports to the EU are actually up.
What have you contributed, exactly? You pump out this crap about bad faith and 'obviously wrong' arguments because you simply don't have any good arguments or supporting data of your own. You have been wrong about this for five years, and you are simply unable to process it.
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You forgot
8. Shortages of bog roll on supermarket shelves are due to a lack of lorry drivers.
8. Shortages of bog roll on supermarket shelves are due to a lack of lorry drivers.
Here grows much rhubarb.
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If you would just stop hoarding toilet roll maybe the rest of us could enjoy a quiet saturday morning sh.t once in a while, eh?Chris Preston wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:08 amYou forgot
8. Shortages of bog roll on supermarket shelves are due to a lack of lorry drivers.
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What were you hoping for exactly? somewhere to vent without anybody challenging your worldview?
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Is it fair to point out, with evidence from external sources, when leaving the regulatory orbit of the EU does not harm those economic and social links as much as some expected?
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Provided that the evidence addresses the full life cycle for the whole of society, and includes risk analysis, yes.sheldrake wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 3:07 pmIs it fair to point out, with evidence from external sources, when leaving the regulatory orbit of the EU does not harm those economic and social links as much as some expected?
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For a moment, try to put aside that you don’t like me very much and look at much of the pessimistic content in this thread. Would you agree that it’s largely made up of negative news about single companies or incidents and doesnt look at aggregate data, in effect anecdotal? (and anecdotes selected to reinforce a pessimistic view of leaving the EU).
In that context, I think the data I’ve posted forms useful counterpoints. I don't see much, if any, of the kind of deep 'full lifecycle' analysis you're asking for from people pessimistic about us leaving the European Union at all.
In that context, I think the data I’ve posted forms useful counterpoints. I don't see much, if any, of the kind of deep 'full lifecycle' analysis you're asking for from people pessimistic about us leaving the European Union at all.
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plodder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:46 amHere are stats from earlier this year showing the exact opposite
https://investmentmonitor.ai/analysis/u ... cted-wound
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Yes, I saw that and asked you a question in response.plodder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:33 pmplodder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:46 amHere are stats from earlier this year showing the exact opposite
https://investmentmonitor.ai/analysis/u ... cted-wound
What do you think those stats show you the exact opposite of, and which of the graphs or tables there in your linked article do you think show it?
For simplicitly, you could pick something from the numbered listed above. I am not looking to dismiss what you've posted, but to engage with it in a precise way.
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No. Sorry. That link is for other people who might be interested.
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sheldrake wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 3:07 pmIs it fair to point out, with evidence from external sources, when leaving the regulatory orbit of the EU does not harm those economic and social links as much as some expected?
You seem to have rowed back from your claim that the Intel fab would only have employed about ten or twenty people.
If that's the level of your analysis, why should we pay any attention to what you say?
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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Well, for other people who might be interested, the first issue with that article is that it doesn't make comparisons with other countries, so there's no sense in which it could show 'the exact opposite' of any of the claims above.
It also makes claims of causation with brexit that it doesn't test in the article by comparison with other countries, or any other kind of reasonable causal analysis. It just keeps asserting 'brexit caused..' without really demonstrating that.
e.g. it uses simple chronological associations like
without seeing if FDI into any other major economies have fallen since 2016.FDI into the UK has fallen since Brexit announcement
You originally posted the link right after I showed you data about how healthy VC investment in the UK tech sector was, and has continued to be since 2016; nothing in your article directly addresses VC investment in the tech sector.
I think you're just skim-reading business magazine articles full of sloppy assertions and insisting they prove stuff they don't really prove.