Scrutable

dyqik wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:32 pm

Tristan wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:10 am It appears nobody knows where Bluesky’s EU HQ is, which is a problem for regulatory purposes. https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/11/2 ... m=referral

Do Bluesky actually operate in any meaningful sense the EU? They don't have advertising yet, so they aren't selling anything in the EU.

At the moment, they are just a website and an app.

Actually, it is both a protocol and an interface. The protocol is public, so anyone could create an app/website/interface for it, not just bluesky. It's like email and an email client, or www and browsers. It seems that at the moment only bluesky operates the public data servers that store the actual posted content, but I think that could change soon.

jaap wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 1:39 pm

dyqik wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:32 pm

Tristan wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:10 am It appears nobody knows where Bluesky’s EU HQ is, which is a problem for regulatory purposes. https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/11/2 ... m=referral

Do Bluesky actually operate in any meaningful sense the EU? They don't have advertising yet, so they aren't selling anything in the EU.

At the moment, they are just a website and an app.

Actually, it is both a protocol and an interface. The protocol is public, so anyone could create an app/website/interface for it, not just bluesky. It's like email and an email client, or www and browsers. It seems that at the moment only bluesky operates the public data servers that store the actual posted content, but I think that could change soon.

Protocols and interfaces aren't business operations at all, they are things that could and would exist without Bluesky or anyone else running any kind of business, servers, etc. that use them.

dyqik wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 2:03 pm

jaap wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 1:39 pm

dyqik wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:32 pm

Do Bluesky actually operate in any meaningful sense the EU? They don't have advertising yet, so they aren't selling anything in the EU.

At the moment, they are just a website and an app.

Actually, it is both a protocol and an interface. The protocol is public, so anyone could create an app/website/interface for it, not just bluesky. It's like email and an email client, or www and browsers. It seems that at the moment only bluesky operates the public data servers that store the actual posted content, but I think that could change soon.

Protocols and interfaces aren't business operations at all, they are things that could and would exist without Bluesky or anyone else running any kind of business, servers, etc. that use them.

Bluesky is covered by the EU's Digital Services Act, and as of November Bluesky was in breach of its obligations under the act to disclose information on aspects of its operations

See also: EU says Bluesky is violating information disclosure rules
https://www.reuters.com/technology/eu-s ... hatgpt.com

Bluesky users: "Welcome to civilised discussion with none of the nastiness of the RWNJs on Twitter".

Also Bluesky users: "WTF, you said something positive or even neutral about AI, or you didn't mention that Sam Altman is literally Hitler, OMG, delete your account and kill yourself".

https://bsky.app/profile/jimmycoan.bsky ... gbkozemc2w

Getting away from twitter, bluesky etc makes all the interactions on them seem absolutely ridiculous, but on the other hand I feel quite a lot more out of touch with the world these days. It's a difficult balance to strike. On the other hand, I get the feeling that a lot of people who are in touch with the world via their phones maybe don't do a lot about it (this isn't directed at anyone here...).

Not really the point of this thread sorry but I suppose it just seems to be a shame that not only do people spend a lot of time arguing on social media, they also argue about how much and how they argue and which places are better or worse to argue on...

sTeamTraen wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2024 1:42 pm Bluesky users: "Welcome to civilised discussion with none of the nastiness of the RWNJs on Twitter".

Also Bluesky users: "WTF, you said something positive or even neutral about AI, or you didn't mention that Sam Altman is literally Hitler, OMG, delete your account and kill yourself".

https://bsky.app/profile/jimmycoan.bsky ... gbkozemc2w

It must be very hard for you, being unable to differentiate between 20 million different people.

So it looks like BlueSky is going to be selling their users’ data to genAI companies and as “bulk datasets” to whoever that maybe.

It’s opt out, not opt in, but most people don’t touch default settings. So the great scraping in the offing. Let the enshitification begin…..

The initial categories described here include:
generative AI
protocol bridging
bulk datasets
public archiving and preservation

https://github.com/bluesky-social/propo ... er-intents

bjn wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 2:22 pm So it looks like BlueSky is going to be selling their users’ data to genAI companies and as “bulk datasets” to whoever that maybe.

I don’t see anything in what you’ve linked to that makes any reference to selling, or to the legal licence terms that apply to what people post to Bluesky. It’s a mechanism for people to declare ‘please do not do x or y with my data’, but there is no mechanism for legally enforcing that - how could there be when your Bluesky posts are publicly available information?

discovolante wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:09 pm Getting away from twitter, bluesky etc makes all the interactions on them seem absolutely ridiculous

I feel the same and have never got into them.

Have always been into forums/bulletin boards. Even going back to the days of usenet. But couldn't stomach Twitter and its successors.