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Tessa K wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:32 pm What's the woo equivalent of Big Pharma? Big Homeo?

It's Big Pharma. The supplements and homeopathy industry is part of the same thing, and worth billions

dyqik wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:04 pm

Tessa K wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:32 pm What's the woo equivalent of Big Pharma? Big Homeo?

It's Big Pharma. The supplements and homeopathy industry is part of the same thing, and worth billions

Yeah, you're right. It's not like all the 'alternative' products are hand crafted by druids and elves in a magical cave in Wales.

jdc wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:33 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:27 am Isn't "bogus" the word that got Schama sued?

Wrong Simon m9. It was my good friend Simon Singh that got sued unsuccessfully by the BCA.

Oooops.

Is m9 one better than a m8?

lpm wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:12 pm Is m9 one better than a m8?

Isn't it a lexi-short for "You Dumbo"?
Spoiler:

You know, like o7 was for "right you are skip!"

So in the ITV debate Lizz Trust said she was inspired to become Tory because of the lack of opportunities she saw when at school..... which will have been in the early 90s.......after ten years of Tory rule

Trinucleus wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:20 pm So in the ITV debate Lizz Trust said she was inspired to become Tory because of the lack of opportunities she saw when at school..... which will have been in the early 90s.......after ten years of Tory rule

She also standing as the “Continuity” candidate on a platform of “no more business as normal”. So go figure that one out.

Still I’m glad some one was willing to stick their head over the parapet and admit responsibility for the sh.t show of the current GCSE regime.

What’s that? “not what she meant ...” Oh.

Oh dear.

Meanwhile with the country literally on fire, climate change got 5 thirty-second variations of:-

“its vitally important that when our grandchildren are caught between out of control wildfires and rising sea levels they can console themselves in their final agonising moments that at least the fossil fuel companies had a few more years of bumper profits before reality became undeniable and the climate crisis, irreversible”.

Little waster wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:46 pm

Trinucleus wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:20 pm So in the ITV debate Lizz Trust said she was inspired to become Tory because of the lack of opportunities she saw when at school..... which will have been in the early 90s.......after ten years of Tory rule

She also standing as the “Continuity” candidate on a platform of “no more business as normal”. So go figure that one out.

Still I’m glad some one was willing to stick their head over the parapet and admit responsibility for the sh.t show of the current GCSE regime.

What’s that? “not what she meant ...” Oh.

Oh dear.

I liked when she asked Rishi why the economy hadn't grown in the last two years. Now let's have a think.....

I'm re minded of when it was IDS versus Ken Clarke going to the membership. The obvious papers pushed IDS like mad, not because he was competent or experienced, but because he was 'sound' on Europe. That went well.

Badenoch popular among readers of Conservative Home:
https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/17 ... hat-fifth/

https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/16 ... nd-fourth/

But not popular with a sample of the general electorate: https://www.itv.com/news/2022-07-17/fin ... itv-debate

Woodchopper wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:05 am But not popular with a sample of the general electorate: https://www.itv.com/news/2022-07-17/fin ... itv-debate

The sickening sight of Badenoch, Truss and Mordaunt slagging each other off over how anti-trans rights they are.

I've not been watching due to the expectation its going to be sickening, plus that, as I have no say in their election anyway, there is little point.

I hope Truss wins. I don't think I've seen a less Charismatic politician. She makes May look like JFK.

TopBadger wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:38 am I've not been watching due to the expectation its going to be sickening, plus that, as I have no say in their election anyway, there is little point.

It's akin to that scene in The Hobbit when the captured dwarves look on in horror as the trolls discuss exactly how they are going to eat them, but with less basic humanity.

I'm starting to think it's perhaps not going perfectly.

Due to cancel culture the next debate has been cancelled by Facebook lefty universities the wokes TERFS left wingers the Tory Party.

They appear to have noticed that publicly airing their opinions, while trying to appeal to the bigots and nutjobs in their membership, might damage their reputation.

IvanV wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:19 am

Woodchopper wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:05 am But not popular with a sample of the general electorate: https://www.itv.com/news/2022-07-17/fin ... itv-debate

The sickening sight of Badenoch, Truss and Mordaunt slagging each other off over how anti-trans rights they are.

It's awful. And Mordaunt getting even more grief because she displayed some compassion in the past. f.cking awful.

lpm wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:14 am I'm starting to think it's perhaps not going perfectly.

Due to cancel culture the next debate has been cancelled by Facebook lefty universities the wokes TERFS left wingers the Tory Party.

Being reported that Sunak and Truss pulled out. But then by Tuesday it's a bun fight between Truss and Mourdaunt for 2nd spot and Truss is likely aware how sh.t she comes across.

WFJ wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:14 am They appear to have noticed that publicly airing their opinions, while trying to appeal to the bigots and nutjobs in their membership, might damage their reputation.

Quite.

Trinucleus wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:20 pm So in the ITV debate Lizz Trust said she was inspired to become Tory because of the lack of opportunities she saw when at school..... which will have been in the early 90s.......after ten years of Tory rule

Her fellow alumni aren't impressed by her claims.

I mean, she must accept that no matter how bad her school was it still managed to get someone with such limited talents as herself into Oxbridge (along with a number of her cohort)*.

The timelines don't quite work either. She left her school in 1993, apparently so appalled at how bad her Tory-run education was that she went to Uni and immediately joined ... the LDs.

It took a further 3 years of Uni to turn her into a Tory.



Overall her political journey is quite eccentric. If anyone else remembers the 1992-1996 period the Tories started out OK, they won the 1992 election comfortably before the wheels fell off for them on Black Wednesday. Even so by 1993 they still were seen as a viable functioning Government and probable narrow favourites for the next GE. As such in 1993 anyone Tory-leaning at Uni could and should have joined the Young Conservatives but instead she joined the LDs, which is fair enough.

The weird bit is deciding to jump ship in 1996.

By 1996 the Tories were in ruins, mired in sleaze and incompetence, relying on snookers to survive day-to-day in Parliament, regularly polling behind the novelty candidates in by-elections and by some estimates heading for complete wipeout in 1997 (it got to the point that the BBC's swingometer would regularly "break" and the BBC had to artificially create a single Tory MP to allow their "House of Parliament" representation to even run). The Tories were expected to be out of power for a generation or to even cease to exist altogether. Meanwhile the LDs appeared to be coasting to a comfortable Lib-Lab Coalition win. That was the point she made the genius decision to join the Tories, proudly stating "Stupid and Nasty" count me in!

We talk about rats and sinking ships but in this case the rat decided to leave a nice comfy lifeboat in favour of tying herself to the mast of the Titanic at about the point the chef was hanging off the rail at the back and the band has already drowned.

*ETA I'm a couple of years younger than her but I remember in 1990 my local comprehensive failed to get a single person into ANY University nevermind Oxbridge.

[haven't watch these so-called debates.] Has she come out with this stuff on TV. If so, Roundhay should sue her for libel.

Little waster wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:33 pmThe weird bit is deciding to jump ship in 1996.

Long game innit. By getting in at their lowest point she found it easier to climb the ranks, a dim bulb shining brighter than the forty watt competition (subs please update this metaphor for the post-incandescent era). If one’s ambition was to become a government minister no matter how derided or useless, she’s achieved it.

TopBadger wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:38 am I've not been watching due to the expectation its going to be sickening, plus that, as I have no say in their election anyway, there is little point.

Same here. It’s one reality show I can’t be bothered with.

Lew Dolby wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:11 pm [haven't watch these so-called debates.] Has she come out with this stuff on TV. If so, Roundhay should sue her for libel.

They can't. Derbyshire County Council v Times Newspapers [1993] AC 534 (known as the Derbyshire principle): A public body cannot sue for defamation 'cos to do so would stifle public debate.
It's why worthless right-wing shitrags like the Heil can endlessly dishonestly rehash the Winterval b.llsh.t for their war on christmas stories each year.

Woodchopper wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:54 pm

TopBadger wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:38 am I've not been watching due to the expectation its going to be sickening, plus that, as I have no say in their election anyway, there is little point.

Same here. It’s one reality show I can’t be bothered with.

Given the claims they are making, I think calling it a reality show is quite a stretch!

Sunak calling Truss a socialist for wanting to cut taxes for the rich is a new level of weird (seemingly borrowed from the US playbook of anything I don't like = socialism = bad).