Scrutable

Gfamily wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:32 pm

P.J. Denyer wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:06 pm
This. Plus I bet Corbyn's father didn't think the British public were insufficiently literate to understand a reference to Pinocchio...

I thought it was not literate enough to spell it.

He implied both, they were insufficiently literate to get the reference and the interviewer pointed out how patronising that was, they couldn't even spell it. Foot in mouth then douboe down and make it worse. Apple, tree and fall spring to mind.

And he's such a peoples' favourite after chowing down on marsupial scrotum.

Our first non-libdem leaflet came today, from the incumbent (junior minister) tory. Interestingly, not a single mention or photo of Johnson, and no mention of Brexit either.

AMS wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:41 pm Our first non-libdem leaflet came today, from the incumbent (junior minister) tory. Interestingly, not a single mention or photo of Johnson, and no mention of Brexit either.

Gosh. That says a lot by not saying anything. A sitting Tory MP, a junior minister no less, who thinks mentioning Johnson or Brexit to his voters would be counterproductive. Well, well.

Martin Y wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:53 pm

AMS wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:41 pm Our first non-libdem leaflet came today, from the incumbent (junior minister) tory. Interestingly, not a single mention or photo of Johnson, and no mention of Brexit either.

Gosh. That says a lot by not saying anything. A sitting Tory MP, a junior minister no less, who thinks mentioning Johnson or Brexit to his voters would be counterproductive. Well, well.

Yes. I wonder though if different leaflets are going to different areas. We're in the very Remainy bit of the constituency on the outskirts of Cambridge, but the seat stretches up into the fens. (Incumbent is a she, not a he, by the way.)

You can really tell I’m in a Lib Dem target seat. I’ve had about 5 personally addressed things through in the last week trying to get my vote.

I’ve not read any analysis of this, but Johnson missing the climate change debate feels to me like a real shoot yourself in the foot moment for the tories, especially with the way they tried to spin it. How many people really think climate change isn’t happening now? Especially with all the flooding in the last month and the last couple of years.

Grumble wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:11 pm I’ve not read any analysis of this, but Johnson missing the climate change debate feels to me like a real shoot yourself in the foot moment for the tories, especially with the way they tried to spin it. How many people really think climate change isn’t happening now? Especially with all the flooding in the last month and the last couple of years.

And on the same day as his very evasive response to repeated questions about whether he'd put himself before Andrew Neil. The two together compound the image of someone trying to avoid scrutiny, which is not a good look for a prime minister.

That is the old politics, if people support you they just won't care about that stuff. What is important is to get them to support you by saying things they like to hear and appearing to be the type of person they like*. This is the new post-truth politics.

Well that is what Johnson appears to think.

*clearly not a nice person by the look of things

greyspoke wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:17 pm That is the old politics, if people support you they just won't care about that stuff. What is important is to get them to support you by saying things they like to hear and appearing to be the type of person they like*. This is the new post-truth politics.

Well that is what Johnson appears to think.

*clearly not a nice person by the look of things

I’m not saying we don’t have our fair share of rabid right wingers, but I don’t think we’re at the same point as the US in terms of voting partisanship.

Had a couple of communications from Ellie Reeve (Labour)

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General election: Boris Johnson’s lead halved, putting UK in ‘hung parliament territory’, latest poll reveals

CON: 39% (-2)

LAB: 33% (+5)

LDEM: 13% (-5)

GRN: 5%

BREX: 4%

I want to believe that. I really do.

Why is Beardy banging on about Iraq again, just when things were looking up for him? He'll avoid saying anything about the EU asuf his f.cking life depended on it, but first chance...

Anything to do with defence is not good territory for him. And this will open him up to that again.

GeenDienst wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:12 am Why is Beardy banging on about Iraq again, just when things were looking up for him? He'll avoid saying anything about the EU asuf his f.cking life depended on it, but first chance...

Anything to do with defence is not good territory for him. And this will open him up to that again.

I think he's comfortable opposing stuff, but the idea of doing something about it scares him.


I started thinking that after Cumbrian floods when the Tory response was utterly feeble. So instead of attacking the their failure to fulfil the most fundamental task of government, he went off on one, suggesting joint sovereignty of the Falklands.

And those examples encapsulate why some of us, who would normally be Labour supporters, think Corbyn is a useless knob: since he became leader he has had more opportunities than I can think of to really skewer whichever PM or senior gubbmint figure, to utterly kick the sh.t out of them, to destroy them, but the best he ever manages is a little chuck of the chin, more usually going off on some Fotherington-Thomas-esque wiffle.

FFS, can you imagine what a Blair, Smith, Wilson, Healy, Cook and the like would have done to May and Johnson?

murmur wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:34 am And those examples encapsulate why some of us, who would normally be Labour supporters, think Corbyn is a useless knob: since he became leader he has had more opportunities than I can think of to really skewer whichever PM or senior gubbmint figure, to utterly kick the sh.t out of them, to destroy them, but the best he ever manages is a little chuck of the chin, more usually going off on some Fotherington-Thomas-esque wiffle.

FFS, can you imagine what a Blair, Smith, Wilson, Healy, Cook and the like would have done to May and Johnson?

Yup

Even Kinnock would have had this shower.

But it exposes a big problem for Labour that all the political tslent and most of the intelligence belongs to the dreaded and excluded Blairite MSM red Tory MSM Blairitre traitor wing. Those of them who aren't already running cities, anyway.

GeenDienst wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:22 pmpolitical tslent and most of the intelligence … Those of them who aren't already running cities, anyway.

Are you including Andy Burnham in that category?

I'll see your Burnham and raise you a Gardiner. Or a Abbott. Or a ... who were the others, agian?

GeenDienst wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:18 pm I'll see your Burnham and raise you a Gardiner. Or a Abbott. Or a ... who were the others, agian?

Hazel Blears?
There's plenty of incompetence and anonymity in the blairites wing too. Just being a centrist or a compromise doesn't make you a competent and charismatic leader in waiting.
Corbyn beat a bunch of useless faceless tossers. If the centre wanted to win, they should have put up decent candidates. And then they shouldn't have panicked and entrenched his position. Which they did because they aren't as smart as you assume.

But there is no ability - none - in the Shadow Cabinet.

Long-Bailey will be leader by the end of January, as Momentum will fix it for McCluskey. Duuuulllllllllzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Who else? Starmer? Ah, the little wannabe fixer scuttling between the big beasts with his cunning plans, which they roundly ignore. Not leadership material, nowhere near. White van hater Thornberry?

Stella Creasey seems to have been the only Labour politician who has been working hard to make good things happen in recent years. if the Comrades had chosen her, she'd be PM already. But, as a group, the Comrades are clearly fuckwits.

How dishonest is this? Personally addressed election literature purporting to be from ex Labour MP Ian Austin urging me to vote tory. It looks like it's entirely from Ian Austin until you get to the smallprint and it's really the Tories.

It'd be interesting to know if he did give his consent to that!