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Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 4:51 pm
by monkey
I bet Brian Cox will be happy with that.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 4:52 pm
by jimbob
On brand for him to be drowned out by Things Can Only Get Better
https://x.com/scottygb/status/1793315621662290087
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 5:01 pm
by monkey
I'm thinking about what music I would have played, 'cos if there's one thing I've learnt over recent years is that things can always get worse.
ETA: I'm currently thinking Babylon's Burning by the Ruts would capture my current mood.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 5:06 pm
by Gfamily
What a shower!
- Screenshot-2024-05-22-at-17.22.30.png (61.44 KiB) Viewed 91405 times
And a reminder that the Conservatives spent over £2.5 million on the Downing Street Press Room, but decided not to use it
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 5:15 pm
by Brightonian
headshot wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 2:41 pm
A friend who works on the Govt side of NHS planning has been told to prepare for 4th July.
Confirmed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-69042935
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 5:31 pm
by lpm
I'm so excited!
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 5:38 pm
by Blackcountryboy
Lucky for Paula Vennels.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 7:27 pm
by lpm
lpm wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:47 pm
They should have called the election in May.
- would have avoided the negative impact their local elections wipe out is going to have
- election campaigns always lead to suspension of infighting
- could have campaigned on "dangerous world, don't jump ship to the unknown, stick with experienced statesmen of Sunak, Cameron and Hunt"*
- dirty tricks, e.g. against Rayner, have to be deployed fast and hard, not languish across many months
- inflation will hit a low in May when the energy prices a year ago vanish from the stats - but then will rise again before the autumn. Can't campaign on beaten inflation when inflation is on the up again
- "Get Rwanda done" is better politics than "We got Rwanda done and it's made bugger all difference"
- pay packets at end of April will be higher than end of March, due to the budget's tax bribe. Something to shout about in the final week of the campaign. Will be forgotten by the autumn
*Yeah, I know, but it's all relative, and those three are a bit more professional than their colleagues.
I presume these reasons are why.
Except since May the SNP has imploded further. Those Scottish seats basically guarantee a Labour majority and a hung parliament is highly unlikely.
Inflation will hit a minimum in a month's time, just right for some good headlines. It is forecast to head up again before autumn. The Rwanda fiasco won't have fiascoed by election day, but would have been at peak fiascoicity in the autumn.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 7:38 pm
by jimbob
lpm wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 7:27 pm
lpm wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:47 pm
They should have called the election in May.
- would have avoided the negative impact their local elections wipe out is going to have
- election campaigns always lead to suspension of infighting
- could have campaigned on "dangerous world, don't jump ship to the unknown, stick with experienced statesmen of Sunak, Cameron and Hunt"*
- dirty tricks, e.g. against Rayner, have to be deployed fast and hard, not languish across many months
- inflation will hit a low in May when the energy prices a year ago vanish from the stats - but then will rise again before the autumn. Can't campaign on beaten inflation when inflation is on the up again
- "Get Rwanda done" is better politics than "We got Rwanda done and it's made bugger all difference"
- pay packets at end of April will be higher than end of March, due to the budget's tax bribe. Something to shout about in the final week of the campaign. Will be forgotten by the autumn
*Yeah, I know, but it's all relative, and those three are a bit more professional than their colleagues.
I presume these reasons are why.
Except since May the SNP has imploded further. Those Scottish seats basically guarantee a Labour majority and a hung parliament is highly unlikely.
Inflation will hit a minimum in a month's time, just right for some good headlines. It is forecast to head up again before autumn. The Rwanda fiasco won't have fiascoed by election day, but would have been at peak fiascoicity in the autumn.
Alternatively, the 1922 committee might have been getting letters in and Sunak preempted them.
I assumed he wanted to milk the country as much as possible and DGAF about the post election Tory party.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 7:55 pm
by Grumble
Gfamily wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 5:06 pm
What a shower!
Screenshot-2024-05-22-at-17.22.30.png
And a reminder that the Conservatives spent over £2.5 million on the Downing Street Press Room, but decided not to use it
Good point, shamelessly stolen.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 8:36 pm
by jimbob
It's getting more on brand
https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1793359440919380470
Sky News
@SkyNews
Sky's political correspondent
@darrenmccaffrey
is removed from Rishi Sunak's campaign launch event.
https://trib.al/YKanzN3
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Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 9:05 pm
by Brightonian
Ooh, this is fun: GB News suggesting rebel Tories could revoke the election by replacing Sunak:
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/sta ... 5203456276
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 9:37 pm
by jimbob
Could they even undissolve Parliament?
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 9:49 pm
by Grumble
jimbob wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 9:37 pm
Could they even undissolve Parliament?
One of the privileges of the king is that he has to agree to dissolve parliament. If he was asked to revoke that dissolution surely he could refuse to do so? And he might, in fact.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 9:53 pm
by monkey
jimbob wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 9:37 pm
Could they even undissolve Parliament?
They could try boiling it. Did that at school once with salty water to get salt.
But they seem to think they have up till the dissolving happens, so the 30th.
ETA: If they did this and got away with it they'd probably end up being hated as much as the woman who put a cat in a bin.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 10:19 pm
by lpm
jimbob wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 9:37 pm
Could they even undissolve Parliament?
Of course not. That twitterer must be drunk.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 11:29 pm
by dyqik
Grumble wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 9:49 pm
jimbob wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 9:37 pm
Could they even undissolve Parliament?
One of the privileges of the king is that he has to agree to dissolve parliament. If he was asked to revoke that dissolution surely he could refuse to do so? And he might, in fact.
And precedent would be on his side.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 11:30 pm
by dyqik
jimbob wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 9:37 pm
Could they even undissolve Parliament?
I think the idea is that they would remove Sunak before the dissolution of Parliament actually happens 25 days before the election.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 11:54 pm
by Gfamily
Interestingly, the Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act 2022 prevents the courts from ruling in respect of the dissolution of parliament.
This followed the attempted (and subsequently blocked) prorogation of parliament that Johnson wanted in September 2021, so as to prevent parliamentary scrutiny of his Brexit plans.
The same act repealed the Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 1:44 am
by lpm
dyqik wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 11:30 pm
jimbob wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 9:37 pm
Could they even undissolve Parliament?
I think the idea is that they would remove Sunak before the dissolution of Parliament actually happens 25 days before the election.
Tory MPs have zero ability to remove someone from position as Prime Minister.
Doesn't matter what internal party rules they have, with silly letters or votes of confidence in leadership. They might fire him as leader of their political party. But it does not follow that he would stop being PM.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 1:55 am
by dyqik
lpm wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:44 am
dyqik wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 11:30 pm
jimbob wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 9:37 pm
Could they even undissolve Parliament?
I think the idea is that they would remove Sunak before the dissolution of Parliament actually happens 25 days before the election.
Tory MPs have zero ability to remove someone from position as Prime Minister.
Doesn't matter what internal party rules they have, with silly letters or votes of confidence in leadership. They might fire him as leader of their political party. But it does not follow that he would stop being PM.
True.
But the fall out of an attempt would be hilarious.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 5:16 am
by bob sterman
lpm wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:44 am
Tory MPs have zero ability to remove someone from position as Prime Minister.
Doesn't matter what internal party rules they have, with silly letters or votes of confidence in leadership. They might fire him as leader of their political party. But it does not follow that he would stop being PM.
Good point. Prime ministers are appointed based on their ability to command confidence in the House of Commons - doesn't matter if that confidence (majority) comes from a single party - or depends on 200 Labour MPs who are very happy that an election is coming.
By attempting to mess with the calling of this election - Tory headbangers could turn a likely dismal defeat on polling day - into utter annihilation.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 8:18 am
by jimbob
bob sterman wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 5:16 am
lpm wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:44 am
Tory MPs have zero ability to remove someone from position as Prime Minister.
Doesn't matter what internal party rules they have, with silly letters or votes of confidence in leadership. They might fire him as leader of their political party. But it does not follow that he would stop being PM.
Good point. Prime ministers are appointed based on their ability to command confidence in the House of Commons - doesn't matter if that confidence (majority) comes from a single party - or depends on 200 Labour MPs who are very happy that an election is coming.
By attempting to mess with the calling of this election - Tory headbangers could turn a likely dismal defeat on polling day - into utter annihilation.
Indeed, but do they have much to lose? What is Sunak going to do to them? Many are stepping down, or feel their seats are doomed anyway, so just want more time to be An Important Person
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 8:28 am
by TopBadger
dyqik wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:55 am
But the fall out of an attempt would be hilarious.
Oh it would be - seeing the reality of "star-one clusterf.ck from the Tories" would likely push most people* to decide they'd prefer "Chaos with Labour".
*Not my Daily Hate reading father-in-law though. He readily complains the country has gone to sh.t but hasn't quite been able to put two and two together yet about who is responsible for that.
Re: General Election '24
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 8:37 am
by Imrael
ON the timing, is one effect to make it harder for (undergraduate) students to vote? If they are registered in their university town but away for the summer, less likely to make a special trip back. Or, probably, get registered at out-of-term address.,
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