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Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:50 am
by tom p
Well, according to the guardian "A No 10 spokesperson said: “The prime minister will make a statement to the country today.”"
Doesn't mean he's going to resign. Who knows what that lying c.nt will say
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:58 am
by tom p
Oh, and just to be boring and now outdated, a motion of no confidence (which some were mooting earlier) is a motion of no confidence in the government, NOT the PM.
Tory MPs would NOT have voted for it. The only reason an opposition party would bring one is to provoke tories into voting for it so it drags things on for longer and they are obliged to actively support the government and thus they as individuals can be discredited (and those who vote against will be loathed by their local party)
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:21 am
by lpm
It's amazing how many other news stories have simply gone unreported over the last 36 hours. Starmer was fined for Beergate yesterday and resigned, the assassination of Putin barely made the inside pages, and the Queen died this morning.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:26 am
by Boustrophedon
And he's gone.
Almost.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:31 am
by Imrael
I dont trust this. Wanting to remain PM makes me think he has a "Plan B" of some sort.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:37 am
by lpm
Parliament summer recess begins two weeks today, 21 July 2022.
Presumably they want the MP stage to be done by then. A lot of whittling down, though, to go from the 179 announced candidates to 2.
The time frame in 2019 was:
24 May 2019: May announces she will resign as leader 7 June
10 June: nominations officially open
13 June: first ballot
20 June: whittled down to two, Johnson and Hunt
23 July: membership vote counted, Johnson announced winner
24 July: May resigns as PM, Johnson appointed PM
So by my reckoning, if they do indeed get down to the two by 21 July, we can have a new PM on 23 August. Hence I'm not sure why Johnson imagines himself staying until October.
And of course the 2016 timeframe was even shorter. Cameron announced his resignation as leader on 24 June, the whittling down was over within 17 days when only Theresa May was left standing. She became leader on 11 July and Prime Minister on 13 July.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:38 am
by WFJ
Imrael wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:31 am
I dont trust this. Wanting to remain PM makes me think he has a "Plan B" of some sort.
While I wouldn't put any devious plan beyond Johnson, staying on until a new party leader is selected is the normal course of action.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:40 am
by jimbob
lpm wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:37 am
Parliament summer recess begins two weeks today, 21 July 2022.
Presumably they want the MP stage to be done by then. A lot of whittling down, though, to go from the 179 announced candidates to 2.
The time frame in 2019 was:
24 May 2019: May announces she will resign as leader 7 June
10 June: nominations officially open
13 June: first ballot
20 June: whittled down to two, Johnson and Hunt
23 July: membership vote counted, Johnson announced winner
24 July: May resigns as PM, Johnson appointed PM
So by my reckoning, if they do indeed get down to the two by 21 July, we can have a new PM on 23 August. Hence I'm not sure why Johnson imagines himself staying until October.
And of course the 2016 timeframe was even shorter. Cameron announced his resignation as leader on 24 June, the whittling down was over within 17 days when only Theresa May was left standing. She became leader on 11 July and Prime Minister on 13 July.
I think it might be this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... _of_tenure
34 Boris Johnson 2 years, 348 days (Incumbent) Conservative 2019
33 Theresa May 3 years, 11 days Conservative 2016
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:55 am
by WFJ
It's a shame that he'll almost certainly pass May, unless he can be kicked out sooner. The Tories should arrange their vote so he gets left on 3 years 10 days just to spite him.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:57 am
by Little waster
By coincidence today Johnson passed the length of tenure of the other wartime Conservative PM he'll likely be grouped together with forever more.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:01 am
by Grumble
Little waster wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:57 am
By coincidence today Johnson passed the length of tenure of the other wartime Conservative PM he'll likely be grouped together with forever more.
I’m no great student of politics, but I’ve never even heard of Campbell-Bannerman
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:07 am
by WFJ
Grumble wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:01 am
I’m no great student of politics, but I’ve never even heard of Campbell-Bannerman
One of Britain's most transformative PMs, but got ill and died soon after leaving. Asquith continued his programme leading to pensions, unemployment insurance etc after passing the Parliament Act to get it through the Lords.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:08 am
by Stranger Mouse
Anyone fancy a coffee?
https://twitter.com/yorkscafe/status/15 ... hROjh0odYQ
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Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:10 am
by lpm
First polling out - looks like Ben Wallace has got this won already.
Reasonably chance no need to go to the Tory membership.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544984549024735233
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:15 am
by Stranger Mouse
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:23 am
by Imrael
Apparently, if Boris had needed to be forced out, the Queen would have to tell him he was no longer able to form a government. There is precedent - from 1793. So at least we've escaped that.
One stray thought - can he resign but go on the ballot to succeed himself, hoping to get through to the party membership stage?
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:25 am
by Imrael
And apparently a couple of appointees with less than 24 hours in service will be entitled to 3 months ministerial rate severance pay.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:26 am
by lpm
Yes, Johnson can put himself forward as a candidate. Needs 8 backers though, which he no longer has.
Plausible choices:
Wallace
Mordaunt
Sunak
Truss
Gove
Raab
Tugendhat
Hunt
Zahawi
Javid
Patel
Barclay
Badenoch
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:30 am
by bjn
Steve Baker wants to have a go at it as well. FSM help us if he gets it. I dislike him more than Raab.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:34 am
by lpm
I'm not typing out the list of implausible candidates. It'd be longer than the time I posted loads of names on the Get Well Soon Boris Mate thread and got accused of vandalism.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:51 am
by Trinucleus
Imrael wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:31 am
I dont trust this. Wanting to remain PM makes me think he has a "Plan B" of some sort.
A B and Q lorry has just delivered a load of bricks and cement to number 10
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:59 am
by jimbob
https://twitter.com/GrundyOxford/status ... 9268453376
Grundy
@GrundyOxford
Normal
7%
“And your specialist subject is?”
“British politics between 1500 and 1640”
“What is it about those 140 years you like?”
“Oh sorry, I meant 3pm and 4.40pm on 6th June 2022”
4:35 PM · Jul 6, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:04 am
by jimbob
Steve Bray has changed his music from Bye Bye Boris
Check out this dignified interview on Sky News
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/stat ... jJN0yK8LzA
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:05 am
by Bird on a Fire
Trinucleus wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:51 am
Imrael wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:31 am
I dont trust this. Wanting to remain PM makes me think he has a "Plan B" of some sort.
A B and Q lorry has just delivered a load of bricks and cement to number 10
Hope he stocked his wine fridge up first.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:06 am
by Bird on a Fire
Pleased to see my cynicism was at least partly misfounded, though.
But I want him out of office, not just out of the party leader spot.
