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Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:15 pm
by lpm
Hilarious. How could he have been so stupid?

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:16 pm
by Gfamily
lpm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:15 pm Hilarious. How could he have been so stupid?
Did the plane fly into an upstairs window?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66599733

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:41 pm
by Grumble
Gfamily wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:16 pm
lpm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:15 pm Hilarious. How could he have been so stupid?
Did the plane fly into an upstairs window?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66599733
We appear to have shot this plane down. Oh dear, how sad.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:48 pm
by lpm
Lol, some journalist actually typed the words "the cause of the crash is not clear". How much clearer can Putin make it?

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:50 pm
by Woodchopper
lpm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:48 pm Lol, some journalist actually typed the words "the cause of the crash is not clear". How much clearer can Putin make it?
Well there’s a bomb, missile ….

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:51 pm
by Grumble
How much does the existence of Wagner depend on Prigohzin? I know it’s not the only game in town.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:52 pm
by Grumble
Woodchopper wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:50 pm
lpm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:48 pm Lol, some journalist actually typed the words "the cause of the crash is not clear". How much clearer can Putin make it?
Well there’s a bomb, missile ….
Taking a thermometer on board…

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:52 pm
by lpm
From twitter:
not a plane crash - it's a special landing operation

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:53 pm
by lpm
Grumble wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:52 pm
Woodchopper wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:50 pm
lpm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:48 pm Lol, some journalist actually typed the words "the cause of the crash is not clear". How much clearer can Putin make it?
Well there’s a bomb, missile ….
Taking a thermometer on board…
Not putting his phone on Airplane mode.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:00 pm
by Woodchopper
Anyway, I’m not going to believe Prigozhin is dead until we’ve waited a few months. Possible he’ll turn up somewhere wearing a false beard and his double was on the plane.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:12 pm
by EACLucifer
Woodchopper wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:00 pm Anyway, I’m not going to believe Prigozhin is dead until we’ve waited a few months. Possible he’ll turn up somewhere wearing a false beard and his double was on the plane.
Ah, so that's what air defence doing. Hope reports that Utkin was on board were true, world could do without the likes of him.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:19 pm
by EACLucifer
Anyway, by far the funniest version of events would be that it was an unauthorised act of revenge by a Russian pilot who remembered that intel plane and the helicopters Wagner downed during their march on Moscow.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:34 pm
by TimW
MOSCOW, August 23. /TASS/. A private jet crashed in the Tver Region north of Moscow on Wednesday. All 10 people onboard were killed, according to preliminary data. Businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin was listed as a passenger, the Russian aviation agency said.

TASS has put together some key facts about the crash.
What happened

- An Embraer jet crashed near the Kuzhenkino settlement in the Tver Region north of Moscow.

- The jet was carrying three crew and seven passengers. They were all killed, the Russian Emergency Situations Ministry said.
The plane’s destination

- The aircraft was heading from Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport to St. Petersburg.

- The list of passengers includes Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Russian aviation agency said.
Official reaction

- The Russian aviation agency has launched an investigation into the crash.

- Law enforcement officers and first responders are working at the scene.

- Tver Region Governor Igor Rudenya has taken the investigation under his personal supervision.
No doubt they'll get to the bottom of it, and a sketchy explanation will be provided.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:34 pm
by Grumble
EACLucifer wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:19 pm Anyway, by far the funniest version of events would be that it was an unauthorised act of revenge by a Russian pilot who remembered that intel plane and the helicopters Wagner downed during their march on Moscow.
Definitely a terrorist attack.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:41 pm
by headshot
Perhaps he had a 101ml bottle of liquids in his bag.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:51 pm
by EACLucifer
Russian TV confirms Prigozhin is dead

In such situations it's often been noted that a few rounds at point blank are an effective confirmation.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:51 pm
by Grumble
RIP Prigohzin mate

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:45 pm
by TimW
Footage shows a plane plummeting. So... a bomb took the tail off? Or what?

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:52 pm
by EACLucifer
TimW wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:45 pm Footage shows a plane plummeting. So... a bomb took the tail off? Or what?
Shot down. Some sources are claiming a Pantsir did it - that's a mobile SAM system which gained a poor reputation after footage of them being picked off by slow flying Bayraktar TB-2s in the first month of the war - but I suppose an air-to-air shootdown can't be conclusively ruled out.

The second funniest scenario, I suppose, is that some Pantsir operator mistook the jet for one of the Bobers that have visited Moscow repeatedly in recent days, and the whole thing was actually one big misunderstanding.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:53 pm
by TimW
The Spectator is saying a wing was missing. I suppose that would do it.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:55 pm
by EACLucifer
I note Surovikin, one of Russia's best generals in terms of actual performance this war, was formally relieved of his role in the last few days. He's been missing presumed detained since Prigozhin's march on Moscow, presumably for not intervening against it, though he did denounce it. If I had to guess, I'd say VVP waited until he'd purged the armed forces of those who would side with Wagner group before schwacking Prigozhin.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:09 pm
by dyqik
EACLucifer wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:19 pm Anyway, by far the funniest version of events would be that it was an unauthorised act of revenge by a Russian pilot who remembered that intel plane and the helicopters Wagner downed during their march on Moscow.
And the funniest outcome is that Wagner turns on Russian regular air defence forces in retribution.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:55 pm
by lpm
Spoilered for being ghoulish:

Spoiler:

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:20 pm
by EACLucifer
dyqik wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:09 pm
EACLucifer wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:19 pm Anyway, by far the funniest version of events would be that it was an unauthorised act of revenge by a Russian pilot who remembered that intel plane and the helicopters Wagner downed during their march on Moscow.
And the funniest outcome is that Wagner turns on Russian regular air defence forces in retribution.
Hopefully we'll get an outcome that keeps this thread busy and relevant for a while.

Re: Russian Civil War

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:55 am
by TimW
TASS wrote: The Main Investigative Department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation started a criminal investigation into potential violations of air transportation safety and operation rules.