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Perhaps a realisation that there are advantages to not being in government when unpleasant things are happening unpalatable decisions have to be made, which the government will surely attract some of the blame for.
Or just grumpy that they ousted Boris and wanting to stir things up a bit.IvanV wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:41 pmPerhaps a realisation that there are advantages to not being in government when unpleasant things are happening unpalatable decisions have to be made, which the government will surely attract some of the blame for.
Perhaps also trying to contrast Boris vs Liz - he won the leadership and got his mandate to be a buffoon. Liz does not have any mandate whatsoever for the damage she's inflicting.IvanV wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:41 pmPerhaps a realisation that there are advantages to not being in government when unpleasant things are happening unpalatable decisions have to be made, which the government will surely attract some of the blame for.
She’s a full on Boris believer and hates Trussmonkey wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:46 pmOr just grumpy that they ousted Boris and wanting to stir things up a bit.IvanV wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:41 pmPerhaps a realisation that there are advantages to not being in government when unpleasant things are happening unpalatable decisions have to be made, which the government will surely attract some of the blame for.
She also supported Truss as Johnson's anointed successor.Grumble wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:54 pmShe’s a full on Boris believer and hates Trussmonkey wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:46 pmOr just grumpy that they ousted Boris and wanting to stir things up a bit.IvanV wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:41 pm
Perhaps a realisation that there are advantages to not being in government when unpleasant things are happening unpalatable decisions have to be made, which the government will surely attract some of the blame for.
Only because Johnson said so, I would be willing to bet, though that would be impossible to prove.
Gotta give him some credit for using the word "gralloching", though.philbo wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:50 amPaul Goodman used to be my MP (Wycombe, before Steve "Ha-ha-hard man of Brexit" Baker). One of those "nice but utterly ineffectual, small-c-conservative" types where you wonder whether they drained all their charisma in their presentation to the constituency committee.plodder wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:00 am Wow, f.cking hell:
https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/30 ... eal-world/
sTeamTraen wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:29 pmGotta give him some credit for using the word "gralloching", though.philbo wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:50 amPaul Goodman used to be my MP (Wycombe, before Steve "Ha-ha-hard man of Brexit" Baker). One of those "nice but utterly ineffectual, small-c-conservative" types where you wonder whether they drained all their charisma in their presentation to the constituency committee.plodder wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:00 am Wow, f.cking hell:
https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/30 ... eal-world/
https://twitter.com/S_imonthebike/statu ... 3872567298unnamed Tory MP wrote:"Everyone says she's ideological, she's not ideological. She learns phrases that make her sound ideological but below the surface there is nothing.
"The reason she freezes after a question from the media is
a) she is thinking up a phrase to say that makes her sound ideological and
b) she's furious.
She's like a thesaurus of phrases that make her sound ideological.
"all right"?
The thing is that it's a rachet..Yes they (and the country) would do better with Truss gone, but once you anger the voters, some are lost without a LOT of effort to regain trust. The Lib Dems are still suffering from the coalition with Cameron, for example.bjn wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:04 pm Route forward for the Tories. 1922 Committee rewrites the leadership rules, Truss gets it in the neck, Saint Rishi gets appointed instead. Bounce in the polls because we’ve gone from absolutely f.cking crazy and evil to plain competent evil. Rishi still f.cks the average Brit but stabilises gilts and sterling. They win in 2024 having “learnt their lesson”.
headshot wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:13 pm I’m putting money on Gove making a bid to be c.nt in Chief.
That's a given.
They don't need to change the rules. They didn't to give Johnson the boot, there was talk of that so they could do a 2nd confidence vote in him*, but they didn't and he is still no longer PM.bjn wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:04 pm Route forward for the Tories. 1922 Committee rewrites the leadership rules, Truss gets it in the neck, Saint Rishi gets appointed instead. Bounce in the polls because we’ve gone from absolutely f.cking crazy and evil to plain competent evil. Rishi still f.cks the average Brit but stabilises gilts and sterling. They win in 2024 having “learnt their lesson”.
worth it for that line in paragraph 8: Spoiler:El Pollo Diablo wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:46 pm Marina Hyde is on fire today. One of her best.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... i-kwarteng
I quite enjoyed the line just before that one - Spoiler:jdc wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:14 pmworth it for that line in paragraph 8: Spoiler:El Pollo Diablo wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:46 pm Marina Hyde is on fire today. One of her best.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... i-kwarteng
Tom Tugendhat...go full on apology mode "I don't know what came over us" and try to be "blue Labour" for the remaining time to the GE to minimize seat loss.monkey wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:33 pm Agree with the rest. Might not be Sunak, but I bet they do their best to have only one candidate left before it goes to the membership.
AFAIUI They'll need to change the rules to boot her before 12 months and to have the MPs appoint the leader, not the membership. If it goes back to the members it'll be another crazy.monkey wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:33 pmThey don't need to change the rules. They didn't to give Johnson the boot, there was talk of that so they could do a 2nd confidence vote in him*, but they didn't and he is still no longer PM.bjn wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:04 pm Route forward for the Tories. 1922 Committee rewrites the leadership rules, Truss gets it in the neck, Saint Rishi gets appointed instead. Bounce in the polls because we’ve gone from absolutely f.cking crazy and evil to plain competent evil. Rishi still f.cks the average Brit but stabilises gilts and sterling. They win in 2024 having “learnt their lesson”.
They just need to make Truss' ministry unworkable, such as lots of backbenchers rebelling or mass resignations of ministers. They just can't make it too unworkable, otherwise they might accidently end up having an election, which would be Bad For Them.
Agree with the rest. Might not be Sunak, but I bet they do their best to have only one candidate left before it goes to the membership.
*I wasn't sure what the right grammar was here, but I like it this way. Implies something messy happens.
"Thank you for that Julian, a lot there for us to consider but I think you speak for many within the Party.Julian Smith, MP wrote:Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...