Scrutable

Herainestold wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:50 am

EACLucifer wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:44 pm And yes, things can move very fast. The unthinkable can become the inevitable in days.

The unthinkable is becoming conventional wisdom. The American President is talking about Armageddon. We will be lucky to make it to Guy Fawkes Day.

headshot wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:55 am

Jesus Christ. Give it a rest, eh?

Opti wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:03 am

headshot wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:55 am

Jesus Christ. Give it a rest, eh?

Do you understand how dangerous resting can be? A huge number of people die every day while 'resting'.

shpalman wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:08 am

Opti wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:03 am

headshot wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:55 am

Jesus Christ. Give it a rest, eh?

Do you understand how dangerous resting can be? A huge number of people die every day while 'resting'.

Jesus rested for three days.

Opti wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:12 am

shpalman wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:08 am

Opti wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:03 am

Do you understand how dangerous resting can be? A huge number of people die every day while 'resting'.

Jesus rested for three days.

Has he been seen after that? Eh?

Herainestold wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:50 am

EACLucifer wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:44 pm And yes, things can move very fast. The unthinkable can become the inevitable in days.

The unthinkable is becoming conventional wisdom. The American President is talking about Armageddon. We will be lucky to make it to Guy Fawkes Day.

Have you heard what they said on the news today?
Have you heard what is coming to us all?
That the world as we know it will be coming to an end
Have you heard? Have you heard?
He sees them in the distance, when the darkened clouds roll
He could feel tension in the atmosphere
He would look in the mirror see an old man now
Does it matter they survive somehow?
They said there's nothing can be done about the situation
They said there's nothing you can do at all
To sit and wait around for something to occur
Did you know? Did you know?
As he stares across the garden looking at the meadows
And wonders if they'll ever grow again
The desperation of the situation getting graver
Getting ready when the wild wind blows
Have you seen what they said on the news today?
Have you heard what they said about us all?
Do you know what is happening to just every one of us?
Have you heard? Have you heard?
There will be a catastrophe the like we've never seen
There will be something that will light the sky
That the world as we know it it will never be the same
Did you know? Did you know?
He carries everything into the shelter not a fuss
Getting ready when the moment comes
He has enough supplies to last them for a year or two
Good to have because you never know
They tell us nothing that we don't already know about
They tell us nothing that is real at all
They only fill us with the stuff that they want
Did you know? Did you know?
He's nearly finished with the preparations for the day
He's getting tired that'll do for now
They are preparing for the very worst to come to them
Getting ready when the wild wind blows
He sees the picture on the wall it's falling down
Upside down
He sees a teardrop from his wife roll down her face
Saying Grace
Remember times they had they flash right through his mind
Left behind
Of a lifetime spent together long ago
Will be gone
They've been preparing for some weeks now
For when the crucial moment comes
To take their refuge in the shelter
Let them prepare for what will come
They make a tea and sit there waiting
They're in the shelter feeling snug
Not long to wait for absolution
Don't make a fuss just sit and wait
Can't believe all the lying
All the screens are denying
That the moments of truth have begun
Can't you see it on the TV?
Don't believe them in the least bit
Now the days of our ending have begun
Say a prayer when it's all over
Survivors unite all as one
Got to try and help each other
Got the will to overcome
I can't believe all the lying
All the screens are denying
That the moments of truth have begun
Can't you see it on the TV?
Don't believe them in the least bit
Now the days of our ending have begun
When they found them had their arms wrapped around each other
Their tins of poison laying near by their clothes
The day they both mistook an earthquake for the fallout
Just another when the wild wind blows

Woodchopper wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:40 am The Ukraine war as Middle Earth.
https://twitter.com/me_of_ee/status/155 ... t9ikMT2N-Q

plodder wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:44 am Barrel bombs soon

EACLucifer wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:59 am The other thing that would be useful would be supplying Ukraine with the long range precision weapons needed to hit the bases these weapons are launched from, and the aircraft the aircraft-launched ones are launched from on the ground, be they in Russia or Belarus.

Woodchopper wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:35 pm
But then, the same could be said for the invasion.

TASS wrote:SIMFEROPOL, October 10. /TASS/. Boats and ferries operating on the Kerch Strait crossing have already transported over 450 motor vehicles and about 3,000 individuals, Acting Minister of Transport of Crimea Nikolay Lukashenko told TASS on Monday.

"More than 450 vehicles and 3,000 persons," Lukashenko said when asked how many passengers and cars have been transported by the ferries since the start of their work.

He specified that the ferry, which allows for the transport of large-capacity vehicles, moved more than 100 cars during the first day of its operation. Priority is given to trucks carrying medicine and perishable goods. Other drivers are advised to reach Crimea via the Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions and Donbass.

On 9 April, Johnson made a surprise visit to Kyiv where he reportedly told Zelensky that the UK would not be party to any such agreement, and pressured him to break off negotiations. According to the Ukrainian newspaper Ukrainska Pravda: “Johnson’s position was that the collective West […] now felt Putin was not really as powerful as they had previously imagined, and that here was a chance to ‘press him’”.

Three days later, Zelensky informed journalists that negotiations had reached a “dead end” and the war entered a new, intensive phase. This was not the first time the Ukrainian premier had performed such an about-turn. In the 2019 election, he ran as a peace candidate – promising to end the fighting in the Donbas by striking a deal with Russia – and received an impressive mandate. But as the Ukrainian sociologist Volodymyr Ishchenko explains, Zelensky subsequently failed to build either an effective political vehicle or a mass movement to advance this policy. In their absence, he had no bulwark against “the most powerful agents in Ukrainian politics: the oligarchic clans, the radical-nationalists, liberal civil society and the western governments”, none of whom favoured a Minsk-style settlement. Thanks to the marginalisation of the Ukrainian left after the Euromaidan revolution, the country still lacks a coordinated political bloc capable of challenging such interests. So when Johnson signalled his opposition to a peace deal last April, he was intervening in a domestic situation where Zelensky’s political capital was already limited. The latter had good reason to doubt whether he could force through a deal without the support of the “collective West”.

Martin Y wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:08 pm That fails at the first step of trying to convince us that a low-effort, entitled, lazy slug like Boris Johnson, who only wanted to be in the top job rather than actually do the job, would seek to provoke war when the UK economy is already f.cked by Brexit and Covid. Not remotely credible Russian propaganda.

Bird on a Fire wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:25 pm

Martin Y wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:08 pm That fails at the first step of trying to convince us that a low-effort, entitled, lazy slug like Boris Johnson, who only wanted to be in the top job rather than actually do the job, would seek to provoke war when the UK economy is already f.cked by Brexit and Covid. Not remotely credible Russian propaganda.

Seeing as the source is Ukrainska Pravda, your last sentence should presumably read "Not remotely credible Ukrainian propaganda."

Here's the article (from May) https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/ Their quote is accurate.

Bird on a Fire wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:25 pm

Martin Y wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:08 pm That fails at the first step of trying to convince us that a low-effort, entitled, lazy slug like Boris Johnson, who only wanted to be in the top job rather than actually do the job, would seek to provoke war when the UK economy is already f.cked by Brexit and Covid. Not remotely credible Russian propaganda.

Seeing as the source is Ukrainska Pravda, your last sentence should presumably read "Not remotely credible Ukrainian propaganda."

Here's the article (from May) https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/ Their quote is accurate.

Martin Y wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:39 pm Well then I apologise. I didn't follow the link as the idea that Boris might do anything so energetic as to provoke a war is laughable. I do note that the piece is not putting any kind of Ukrainian view though. It's more "If only the left were in power in Britain, not you Labour, the left left, we could have negotiated a peace deal end everything would be much better".