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Posted: **Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:29 pm**

GeenDienst wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:06 pm is there a facility on this site where we get an alert when this is talking about Labour?

if you think a thread should be split, feel free to report the post concerned

Posted: **Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:06 pm**

RLB rates JCs leadership as 10/10.

think she may need a trip to specsavers.

Posted: **Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:13 pm**

I can honestly say that a man is going to win this.

Unless of course Tory infiltrators vote for RLB.

Have I covered all angles?

Posted: **Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:46 pm**

TopBadger wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:06 pm RLB rates JCs leadership as 10/10. think she may need a trip to specsavers.

Does she know it's 2020?

Posted: **Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:58 pm**

ISWYDT.

Posted: **Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:01 pm**

GeenDienst wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:58 pmISWYDT.

Now, can you read the next row down?

Posted: **Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:23 pm**

dyqik wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:01 pm
GeenDienst wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:58 pmISWYDT.
Now, can you read the next row down?

FYUTA

Better? Worse?

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:18 am**

sheldrake wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:12 pm
cvb wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:54 pm
sheldrake wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:36 pm

Wrong. It is negotiated as part of the MFF every seven years and must be unanimously agreed. We can lose our rebate without our consent and EU commission staff made very clear we would in 2020.

How is the MFF decided?

The Council has a central role in the MFF legislative process.

Before the ongoing MFF expires, the European Commission makes a proposal for a new MFF regulation.

This is used as a basis for negotiations within the Council, which will ensure that all member states are part of the agreement: unanimity is required to find a deal.
From MFF
The default is no rebate. Unanimity is required to pass a rebate. When you express doubt that the UK would've lost its rebate, you are arguing against the EU Commission itself. I think you are experiencing cognitive dissonance.

Is it true that the UK would have to vote to give up the rebate? Yes or no?

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:32 am**

The UK could refuse to accept the whole MFF, but it doesnt get to vote spwcifically on the rebate.

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:35 am**

sheldrake wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:32 am The UK could refuse to accept the whole MFF, but it doesnt get to vote spwcifically on the rebate.

So that is yes?

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:52 am**

cvb wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:35 am
sheldrake wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:32 am The UK could refuse to accept the whole MFF, but it doesnt get to vote spwcifically on the rebate.
So that is yes?

No, the UK does not have a unilateral veto on losing its rebate. What it could do is hold up the EU budgeting process until the other members got so annoyed they decided to sanction the UK in other ways. For one thing, without the MFF being passed there would've been no-EU payments coming into the UK either. The direction of travel from statements from other EU members and the outcome of previous negotiations was very clear.

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:07 pm**

Sorry to interrupt the pointless troll feeding with some "After Corbyn" stuff, but Starmer is running away with it, according to the bookies now that the runners and riders are pretty much announced.

Starmer is hovering around 4/5, while the next one, BLT, is about 5/2, then our other angry northerner, Nandy around 5/1 ish.

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Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:36 pm**

How does that compare last time out - was JC favourite then?

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:16 pm**

This is from 2015

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:00 pm**

Looks like This was the statement that worsened Cooper's odds back then (Sep 1st 2015):

Yvette Cooper has urged the UK political class to take greater responsibility for thousands of refugees crossing into Eastern Europe, Greece and Italy, saying Britain had to be true to its values and history by taking up to 10,000 people fleeing the political turmoil in the Middle East.

“Britain has to respond to a humanitarian crisis on a scale we have not seen on our continent since the second world war,” the shadow home secretary said, breaking the apparent political taboo on the UK’s response to the European-wide migration crisis.

Those angry northeners wouldn't like that.

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:37 pm**

Have we decided whether Stoke is in the north yet?

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:43 pm**

Starmer's been backed by unison.

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:50 pm**

GeenDienst wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:00 pm Looks like This was the statement that worsened Cooper's odds back then (Sep 1st 2015):
Yvette Cooper has urged the UK political class to take greater responsibility for thousands of refugees crossing into Eastern Europe, Greece and Italy, saying Britain had to be true to its values and history by taking up to 10,000 people fleeing the political turmoil in the Middle East.

“Britain has to respond to a humanitarian crisis on a scale we have not seen on our continent since the second world war,” the shadow home secretary said, breaking the apparent political taboo on the UK’s response to the European-wide migration crisis.
Those angry northeners wouldn't like that.

Except the return on £1 went down after Aug 31 2015, so her odds improved (indeed the graph says the odds went down)

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:32 pm**

geejaytee wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:50 pm
Except the return on £1 went down after Aug 31 2015, so her odds improved (indeed the graph says the odds went down)

Yes, I think you're right.

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:36 pm**

El Pollo Diablo wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:43 pm Starmer's been backed by unison.

That's great news, especially as they backed Corbyn in 2015.

Interestingly, Prentis stressed the need to actually get into govt as a key reason.

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:16 pm**

El Pollo Diablo wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:37 pm Have we decided whether Stoke is in the north yet?

No it f.cking isn’t. I’m barely in the north, I’m pretty much in border territory in Stockport - south Cheshire is midlands.

In more relevant news I have rejoined the Labour Party.

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:18 pm**

I'm thinking of joining Labour too.

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:07 pm**

The people of N Staffordshire would on the whole consider themselves to be northerners. I grew up around there. They would abhor such SERN views, if they had any idea what abhor meant.

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:43 am**

sheldrake wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:18 pm I'm thinking of joining Labour too.

Well, if Gisele Stuart is still a member, why the f.ck not?

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:00 am**

Hahahaha oh god the Corbynites can't decide who they want.

Just imagine if McCluckey comes out and backs... Barry Gardiner.

Imagine a f.cking top team of Barry f.cking Gardiner and Richard sh.tting Burgon.

Jesus pogo-sticking Christ.

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