Scrutable

jimbob wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:09 am

Woodchopper wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:59 am

Bewildered wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:39 am

Agree.

By the way I think this will go down like a lead balloon here. But.. as much as I like seeing the Tories fail, I really don’t care what he does for D-Day. I care what his plans are nhs, Ukraine,Palestine-Israel, immigration, austerity, inflation and cost of living etc. To me this is just in the same bucket as how the quality of Corbyn’s suit, Gordon brown mumbling that a bigot was a bigot, Julia Gillard falling over when being led away for safety by security etc - all stuff I wish the media would stop building up and pushing.

You’re right, I disagree.

Firstly he missed out on some personal time with Biden, Macron, Scholz and other leaders. I’ll leave Jim Hacker to explain why such events can be important: https://youtu.be/TeW3FltKvGM?si=5zT0r7DhyYmlzho8

For a Britain that has isolated itself from Europe and hasn’t forged closer relations with the US, the PM leaving early was a bad move.

National symbols are important. They are what give people a sense of unity and common purpose. The last decade has been very divisive and the one thing that almost every one can agreed upon is that D Day was a very good thing. The Prime Minister should be doing what he can to encourage unity.

Exactly. And I suspect the bold part is why Sunak initially intended to snub the whole event. Even before he decided to call the election. It's such a no brainer decision and shows a complete lack of judgement, even when he has time to reflect. It was unlike the other examples given for that reason, it was more deliberate.
To send an isolationist message for (misplaced) domestic political reasons. Misplaced, because he failed to understand why being against Europe might be popular with his pro Reform tribe, but disrespect to D-Day veterans wouldn't.

Sunak’s mea culpa, however, was caveated. During a broadcast interview he said the decision not to attend the event with other world leaders had been made “weeks ago”. He had, he said, “fully participated in all the British events with the British veterans”.

His answer was revealing in and of itself. Shortly before Sunak called the general election he was presented with an itinerary by officials, with the international leaders’ event marked as “optional”. Sunak and his aides decided he should not attend in part because it was the “French event” and was therefore considered less significant.

However, Dame Priti Patel, the former home secretary, has made clear that she would invite Farage to return — a view shared by others on the right such as Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg, who predicted that Farage might even become Tory leader. “I’m a huge admirer of Nigel’s and I think he should hold high office within the Conservative Party,” Rees-Mogg said. “I’m sure that if the ball would come out of the scrum, Nigel would be more than willing to catch it.”

He added: “Nigel is a Tory. He’s a charismatic politician, and we’ve seen that charismatic politicians do very well for the Conservative Party. He says things that resonate with voters. I think the Tory party has too often been trying to appeal to the liberal and green vote that isn’t coming to us anyway.”

bjn wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:44 am There are senior voices in the Tory party openly stating they want Farage to join them. FFS.

However, Dame Priti Patel, the former home secretary, has made clear that she would invite Farage to return — a view shared by others on the right such as Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg, who predicted that Farage might even become Tory leader. “I’m a huge admirer of Nigel’s and I think he should hold high office within the Conservative Party,” Rees-Mogg said. “I’m sure that if the ball would come out of the scrum, Nigel would be more than willing to catch it.”

He added: “Nigel is a Tory. He’s a charismatic politician, and we’ve seen that charismatic politicians do very well for the Conservative Party. He says things that resonate with voters. I think the Tory party has too often been trying to appeal to the liberal and green vote that isn’t coming to us anyway.”

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/ar ... -6rlvt8nr6

bjn wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:44 am There are senior voices in the Tory party openly stating they want Farage to join them. FFS.

However, Dame Priti Patel, the former home secretary, has made clear that she would invite Farage to return — a view shared by others on the right such as Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg, who predicted that Farage might even become Tory leader. “I’m a huge admirer of Nigel’s and I think he should hold high office within the Conservative Party,” Rees-Mogg said. “I’m sure that if the ball would come out of the scrum, Nigel would be more than willing to catch it.”

He added: “Nigel is a Tory. He’s a charismatic politician, and we’ve seen that charismatic politicians do very well for the Conservative Party. He says things that resonate with voters. I think the Tory party has too often been trying to appeal to the liberal and green vote that isn’t coming to us anyway.”

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/ar ... -6rlvt8nr6

lpm wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 7:19 am

Gfamily wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 11:30 pm On the other hand, I can see from some of the right wingers a 'Oh, he's not really British' vibe to some of the criticism, which is very close to "Oh, with his, umm, you know, background, you can tell he's not really British - just like the others"

ETA - though, obviously, it was politically a really crass decision to make - but you have to be careful who you reinforce,

Huh? I've not seen anything remotely like that. What murky Faragey waters are you swimming in?

wilsontown wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 12:45 pm Does it count as a dog whistle when everyone can hear it?

bob sterman wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:56 pm Mail on Sunday poll - carried out after d-day debacle - is apparently showing a Tory wipeout - reduced to 37 seats. With Sunak losing his seat.

As desirable as that would be in many respects - retaining a few experienced MPs might not be a bad thing - to help with committee work and scrutiny of legislation. I would guess some of the Labour candidates in seats where it was assumed they'd have no hope - might not be the brightest crayons in the box.

JQH wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 12:34 pm Pretty loud dog whistle there from Anderson.

nezumi wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:36 pm I wouldn't normally post a thing from The Website Formerly Known as Twitter but

BAHA BAHAHAHA BAHAHAHAHAHA

I swear, this is the funniest election I have ever seen in my life. Elections aren't usually this funny are they? It's like a real, proper belly laugh every single day. The Tories are a joke. It's marvellous.

Fishnut wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:42 pm

nezumi wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:36 pm I wouldn't normally post a thing from The Website Formerly Known as Twitter but

BAHA BAHAHAHA BAHAHAHAHAHA

I swear, this is the funniest election I have ever seen in my life. Elections aren't usually this funny are they? It's like a real, proper belly laugh every single day. The Tories are a joke. It's marvellous.

I struggle with cringe comedy but that was special.

If you've already answered the questions, why can't you just give the same answer as before?

geejaytee wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 7:30 pm Because journalists would lose their 'anonymous sources' and would also get reduced access to the big hitters.

TopBadger wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:22 pm With the public sector and social care on it's knees, I'm don't think tax cuts are the answer... I want to pay more tax, and get better services.