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TopBadger wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:09 am Wow... Zahawi on Sky this morning... asked why he took the job under BoJo his answer suggested there needs to be adults left in cabinet.

Yeah - apparently it’s all Alistair Campbell’s fault and Ukraine, Vaccines, Ukraine, Vaccines etc

Oh great

Michelle “Soviet Universities” Donelan to become Education Secretary

https://twitter.com/sueperkins/status/1 ... D5bL7Of4IA

Definitely "Interesting Times"...

TopBadger wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:00 am
Surely those still supporting BoJo are going to be tainted and lose their cabinet jobs when he's gone... unless they're reckoning the party simply doesn't have enough talent to replace them.

I had to laugh last night when Ch4 News flat-up challenged JRM that the only reason he supports Johnson is that no other PM would ever consider having someone as dishonest and useless as him in their Cabinet.

Cue a huffy JRM chucking a strop that he wouldn't want to serve under any other PM but Johnson and anyway he already has a PM who we wouldn't know as he goes to another in another Cabinet ... in Canada.

Now up to 15 resignations.

The vote of no confidence was 211 vs 148. Hence 32 switchers needed. They have that already, from these 15 plus a bunch of backbenchers who'll have flipped.

Sweepstake on how long he can cling on? Hours, days, weeks or months?

lpm wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:35 am Now up to 15 resignations.

The vote of no confidence was 211 vs 148. Hence 32 switchers needed. They have that already, from these 15 plus a bunch of backbenchers who'll have flipped.

17 now

WFJ wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:38 am Sweepstake on how long he can cling on? Hours, days, weeks or months?

Will he try to punish the Tory traitors by calling an election?

jimbob wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:42 am

lpm wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:35 am Now up to 15 resignations.

The vote of no confidence was 211 vs 148. Hence 32 switchers needed. They have that already, from these 15 plus a bunch of backbenchers who'll have flipped.

17 now

We need an actual list of names, because not keeping track of who quit when might lead to double counting.

jimbob wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:43 am

WFJ wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:38 am Sweepstake on how long he can cling on? Hours, days, weeks or months?

Will he try to punish the Tory traitors by calling an election?

Does he need a parliamentary majority (i.e. most of his party behind him) to do that? I forget where we are with FTPA etc.

WFJ wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:38 am Sweepstake on how long he can cling on? Hours, days, weeks or months?

I wouldn't be surprised if the 1922 announce something today. Perhaps if Graham Brady says he believes there's now a majority it will lead to a rule change now, rather than bothering to wait the 1922 elections.

Clearly there's no benefit to the party from letting this drag out till next week. They all know that.

WFJ wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:12 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:10 pm Nadine Dorries. I want them to lose the next election.

In a similar vain, I'm praying for Moggy.

Most. Apt. Homophone. Ever.

Bird on a Fire wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:14 pm Boris Johnson in a fake nose and glasses, calling himself Schmoris Schmonson.

Naah, he'll put on some clogs and adopt a comedy dutch accent & call himself Joris Bonson (with the J pronounced as a Y)

dyqik wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:45 am

jimbob wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:43 am

WFJ wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:38 am Sweepstake on how long he can cling on? Hours, days, weeks or months?

Will he try to punish the Tory traitors by calling an election?

Does he need a parliamentary majority (i.e. most of his party behind him) to do that? I forget where we are with FTPA etc.

FTPA is gone and it reverted to the constitution as if FTPA had never existed.

Highly unlikely that the Queen would dissolve her parliament on the request of her Prime Minister if he wasn't supported by cabinet, party and implicit majority in the House. But there's no precedent for any of this.

lpm wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:46 am

WFJ wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:38 am Sweepstake on how long he can cling on? Hours, days, weeks or months?

I wouldn't be surprised if the 1922 announce something today. Perhaps if Graham Brady says he believes there's now a majority it will lead to a rule change now, rather than bothering to wait the 1922 elections.

Clearly there's no benefit to the party from letting this drag out till next week. They all know that.

I wouldn't be surprised if people like Gove, Truss, maybe Raab jump in a few days if he's still there (with a heavy heart, for the good of the country/party etc)

TopBadger wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:00 am Zahawi taking his chance at No11... to get his name in the history books as shortest serving chancellor?

Surely those still supporting BoJo are going to be tainted and lose their cabinet jobs when he's gone... unless they're reckoning the party simply doesn't have enough talent to replace them.

Sunak will surely retain the record for shortest serving chancellor. Zahawi would take it for shortest-serving chancellor

lpm wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:48 am

dyqik wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:45 am

jimbob wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:43 am

Will he try to punish the Tory traitors by calling an election?

Does he need a parliamentary majority (i.e. most of his party behind him) to do that? I forget where we are with FTPA etc.

FTPA is gone and it reverted to the constitution as if FTPA had never existed.

Highly unlikely that the Queen would dissolve her parliament on the request of her Prime Minister if he wasn't supported by cabinet, party and implicit majority in the House. But there's no precedent for any of this.

Although I think that's the rules I referred to above/elsewhere as only being written down in a letter to the Times.

dyqik wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:44 am

jimbob wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:42 am

lpm wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:35 am Now up to 15 resignations.

The vote of no confidence was 211 vs 148. Hence 32 switchers needed. They have that already, from these 15 plus a bunch of backbenchers who'll have flipped.

17 now

We need an actual list of names, because not keeping track of who quit when might lead to double counting.

The problem with that is that nobody has ever heard of most of them.

tom p wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:47 am

WFJ wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:12 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:10 pm Nadine Dorries. I want them to lose the next election.

In a similar vain, I'm praying for Moggy.

Most. Apt. Homophone. Ever.

I'd like to pretend that was deliberate.

tom p wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:53 am

dyqik wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:44 am

jimbob wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:42 am

17 now

We need an actual list of names, because not keeping track of who quit when might lead to double counting.

The problem with that is that nobody has ever heard of most of them.

As long as none of them have the same names, that's fine.

dyqik wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:53 am

tom p wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:53 am

dyqik wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:44 am

We need an actual list of names, because not keeping track of who quit when might lead to double counting.

The problem with that is that nobody has ever heard of most of them.

As long as none of them have the same names, that's fine.

I was thinking more of vandalism. I mean if I told you that Chris Hoy & Bradley Wiggins had resigned, you'd have to double-check that I wasn't just adding in other british olympic cycling greats alongside Laura Trott for lols

I reckon Starmers first question may well be "why are you still here?"

Hustings for the leadership candidates being arranged for Monday.

Makes sense, need to get the MPs part of the election process done before recess.

Tories pretty much all stoney faced... not much support for bojo

TopBadger wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:57 am I reckon Starmers first question may well be "why are you still here?"

“Why did you promote him”

“He’s now been sacked”

“Did you say Pincher by name pincher by nature?”

“We’ve got people off welfare.”

“You didn’t deny it. Will you apologise for victim blaming?”

“I didn’t sack him quickly enough. We’re cutting taxes.”

“You ignored it for ages. The sinking ships are fleeing the rat.”

“Can you imagine if Corbyn was in power?”

“The whole cabinet is the charge of the lightweight brigade and are a bunch of nodding dogs.”

“There’s a war in Ukraine!”