Scrutable

FlammableFlower wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:16 pm There are some rather feverish rumours that Boris may try to start a new political party which rabid right-wingers think would be popular, but surely would split the vote on the right and be quite funny.

Conflicted... part of me thinks this would be hilarious, the other part thinks "be careful what you wish for"... he couldn't win, could he?

TopBadger wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:36 pm

FlammableFlower wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:16 pm There are some rather feverish rumours that Boris may try to start a new political party which rabid right-wingers think would be popular, but surely would split the vote on the right and be quite funny.

Conflicted... part of me thinks this would be hilarious, the other part thinks "be careful what you wish for"... he couldn't win, could he?

It'd split the right wing donors and papers as well - there's the sensible conservative papers and donors that want stability for their investments that won't follow him, and populist tabloids and asset stripping blow everything up donors that will.

I don't think there are any sensible conservative papers these days. The Times used to be less barking than the rest, but has recently fully embraced the headbangers.

Dorries has absolutely outdone herself. Retiring, not retiring and now demanding to be able to carry out an inquiry into why she didn't get a peerage before she will resign.

Lol. 90 days suspension!

And now begins Boris taking everyone down with him.

Also - I'm slightly surprised Dorries' constituents haven't started a petition for a recall. It's plain she couldn't give a toss about representing them.

That's huge. Given 10 days was enough to trigger a potential recall/byelection. No Member's pass either, which prevents him coming back in for 'lunches' etc

God this is like crack to me

science_fox wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:22 am That's huge. Given 10 days was enough to trigger a potential recall/byelection. No Member's pass either, which prevents him coming back in for 'lunches' etc

No members pass is their recommendation, is it the Speaker who actually decides?

The Commons could just "note" the findings, which would not lead to removal of the pass.

The Commons needs to approve the findings for this punishment to apply.

Haven't they said they are not going to go down the "note finding" route?

I still want to know how the ABBA party wasn't investigated properly.

That was the the most flagrant breach.

And somehow no FPN nor in the Sue Gray report.

"In its report, the committee accused Mr Johnson of being "complicit in the campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee.""

According to the ABC.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-15/ ... /102485740

I know politics has become irretrievably cynical, but surely this matters to parliamentarians?

Bernard Jenkin's wife's birthday party was better than mine, WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

I love that the initial recommendation was only going to be for a suspension of "more than 10 days", just enough to trigger things, but Johnson's behaviour after seeing the draft made them push that up to 90 days.

If the no pass recommendation is implemented, that will really piss him off. Please please let that happen.

But who could have predicted that Johnson would trash the Tory party as well as the country?

Well apart from anyone who had looked at his performance?

I did just check and found I was saying immediately after the general election that he was going to crash and burn and shortly afterwards that if anyone could trash a massive majority, it would be him. Of course I hadn't envisioned Truss at that time.

Boris seems to have forgotten about the Russia Report and people who know about his relationship with Lebedev.

I really hope someone decides to spill the beans on his dodgy dealings with Russians and his attendance at parties without his security detail when he was Foreign Sec.

El Pollo Diablo wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:46 am God this is like crack to me

I'm enjoying International Comeuppance Week.

lpm wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:30 am

El Pollo Diablo wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:46 am God this is like crack to me

I'm enjoying International Comeuppance Week.

It might well last for longer than a week.

Without the protection of being a member, Johnson can now be called a liar in Parliament:
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1 ... 8072866818

No doubt the Speaker will be apologising to Dawn Butler and Ian Blackford promptly.

Edit: Sorry, I don't know how that "No" got into the previous sentence.

Sciolus wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:59 pm No doubt the Speaker will be apologising to Dawn Butler and Ian Blackford promptly.

Edit: Sorry, I don't know how that "No" got into the previous sentence.

Exactly.

The speaker needs to accept that there is such a thing as objective truth, and when it is clear that an MP is lying, allow that to be stated without sanction.

It is not civilised to use forms of words to pretend that all MPs are honourable in those situations when it is beyond reasonable doubt that a specific MP has lied.


But maybe the Speaker has got bogged down in some POMO b.llsh.t?

The speaker is bound to judge things by the rules of the house, which are decided upon by MPs. He doesn't just make things up. The things which are unparliamentary language are very clear, and if MPs feel it needs an update, they can do just that. Until then, he's going to keep on enforcing the rules as they exist today.

Sciolus wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:59 pm No doubt the Speaker will be apologising to Dawn Butler and Ian Blackford promptly.

Edit: Sorry, I don't know how that "No" got into the previous sentence.

No doubt the Taxpayers' Alliance will be issuing a comprehensive and excoriating criticism of the government's decision to spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayers' money on the liar's lawyers

Edit: Sorry, I don't know how that "No" got into the previous sentence.