Re: Developing the Covid-19 vaccine
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:04 am
Oxford wouldn't be doing this if they thought theirs was effective. They must have doubts.shpalman wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:34 pm gonna try the Oxford one together with the Russian one because f.ck it
shpalman wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:42 pm Specifically it's because the Oxford one is using the same viral vector twice and there's a possibility that a person's immune system destroys the virus so quickly the second time that it doesn't have a chance to generate enough covid-like material to provoke a strong immune reaction to covid (this is a suggestion for why it seemed to work better with the accidentally half-sized first dose, assuming you believe that result to be statistically significant).
There's no particular reason to consider it unsafe, unless you don't trust the Russian vaccine at all, and the question of how efficacious it would be is why there's going to be a trial.
Thanks for that explanation.shpalman wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:42 pm Specifically it's because the Oxford one is using the same viral vector twice and there's a possibility that a person's immune system destroys the virus so quickly the second time that it doesn't have a chance to generate enough covid-like material to provoke a strong immune reaction to covid.
There's no particular reason to consider it unsafe, unless you don't trust the Russian vaccine at all, and the question of how efficacious it would be is why there's going to be a trial.
Not for the first time I think to myself, "I picked a hell of a year to give up smoking."
Is this a GM O based technique? I'm just thinking it would not be legal in the EU or the UK?
No, really, you need to give staff the vaccine or there'll be nobody left to give the vaccine to anybody else let alone care for all the covid patients.shpalman wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:58 am Dear NHS staff, we expect you to deal with all the extra covid cases caused by our decision to let families see each other over Christmas for which our vaccination strategy won't make any difference but we're still not going to give you the vaccine (although maybe try volunteering for a trial) KTHXBYE
You need to express these values in a common currency that is understood by all.shpalman wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:30 pm this is what the EU is paying for a dose of each vaccine
Oxford/AstraZeneca: €1.78
Johnson & Johnson: $8.50
Sanofi/GSK: €7.56
Pfizer/BioNTech: €12
CureVac: €10
Moderna: $18
Mongolian Tugrikshpalman wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:30 pm this is what the EU is paying for a dose of each vaccine
Oxford/AstraZeneca: 6 218 MNT
Johnson & Johnson: 24 257 MNT
Sanofi/GSK: 26 413 MNT
Pfizer/BioNTech: 41 397 MNT
CureVac: 41 397 MNT
Moderna: 51 351 MNT
Or to put it another way, wrong.
What can I say, I just happened to be there at the right time. As the old vaccine pricing forex adage goes, you snooze you lose.bolo wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:10 pmOr to put it another way, wrong.
Presumably the payments in euros will be in euros, and the payments in dollars will be in dollars, and converting them into some other currency is going to be accurate, at best, for a few milliseconds, once.
I stand corrected. Thanks.shpalman wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:05 pm The CureVac one is only 34,653.89 ₮.
However, to put it in a currency which the high-functioning alcoholic English middle-class can understand it needs to be expressed in bottles of smuggled prosecco.
True. I should have used bitcoin.bolo wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:10 pmOr to put it another way, wrong.
Presumably the payments in euros will be in euros, and the payments in dollars will be in dollars, and converting them into some other currency is going to be accurate, at best, for a few milliseconds, once.
Maybe starting around €4 and pretty decent already at €7 if you don't mind a headache. There's usually something on special offer. It's a while since I bought any and I still have a bottle left.Bird on a Fire wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:51 pm How much is a bottle of Prosecco in Italy?
Portuguese espumante starts about 2,50€ and I don't think I've ever seen Prosecco here. Maybe some Italian non-DOP stuff. The wine market is almost entirely national here, with an aisle for each major Portuguese region in my local supermarket but just a couple of shelves for "vinhos do mundo".
Sometimes I just like the fizzy stuff. Makes it feel like a special occasion, instead of getting pissed in my flat again for the 277th consecutive night since lockdown began.
Enjoy your life. Drink it now.shpalman wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:07 pmMaybe starting around €4 and pretty decent already at €7 if you don't mind a headache. There's usually something on special offer. It's a while since I bought any and I still have a bottle left.Bird on a Fire wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:51 pm How much is a bottle of Prosecco in Italy?
Portuguese espumante starts about 2,50€ and I don't think I've ever seen Prosecco here. Maybe some Italian non-DOP stuff. The wine market is almost entirely national here, with an aisle for each major Portuguese region in my local supermarket but just a couple of shelves for "vinhos do mundo".
Sometimes I just like the fizzy stuff. Makes it feel like a special occasion, instead of getting pissed in my flat again for the 277th consecutive night since lockdown began.
That sounds properly minging.sTeamTraen wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:07 pm
A popular drink here is tinto de verano, which is half and half cheap red wine and fizzy clear lemonade (as in R. Whites etc, but usually sugar-free).