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Re: Legacies of the cold war
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:02 pm
by Martin Y
Herainestold wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:28 pm
Martin Y wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:53 pm
JQH wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:55 pm
During the Cold War the West did have a habit of labelling liberation movements as "communist" whether they were or not. ANC was a classic case but I don't recall their mass nationalisations when they finally took power,
I think the traditional label "freedom fighters" was available if they were anti-communist.
When in reality it was the anti-fascist forces that were the true freedom fighters.
I was of course being ironic. They're freedom fighters if they're on your side and terrorists if they're not.
Re: Legacies of the cold war
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:29 pm
by Woodchopper
JQH wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:55 pm
During the Cold War the West did have a habit of labelling liberation movements as "communist" whether they were or not. ANC was a classic case but I don't recall their mass nationalisations when they finally took power,
I agree in general but in that example Mandela and Tambo were members of the Communist Party of South Africa, and the ANC was (and is) formally allied with the CPSA. Though as you write, they didn’t behave like communists when they were in power.
Re: Legacies of the cold war
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:23 pm
by Herainestold
Woodchopper wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:29 pm
JQH wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:55 pm
During the Cold War the West did have a habit of labelling liberation movements as "communist" whether they were or not. ANC was a classic case but I don't recall their mass nationalisations when they finally took power,
I agree in general but in that example Mandela and Tambo were members of the Communist Party of South Africa, and the ANC was (and is) formally allied with the CPSA. Though as you write, they didn’t behave like communists when they were in power.
And maybe if they had nationalized strategic industries, things would be better in SA now.
Re: Legacies of the cold war
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:33 pm
by noggins
Herainestold wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:23 pm
And maybe if they had nationalized strategic industries, things would be better in SA now.
Which industries would that be? What would you add?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-own ... uth_Africa
Re: Legacies of the cold war
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:08 pm
by Herainestold
I'm assuming JQH couldn't remember all the nationalisations when the ANC gained power, because key industries were all already nationalized.
They just need to do internet and Social Media, facebook, google, etc. and they will be done.
Re: Legacies of the cold war
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:51 pm
by JQH
Herainestold wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:08 pm
I'm assuming JQH couldn't remember all the nationalisations when the ANC gained power, because key industries were all already nationalized.
They just need to do internet and Social Media, facebook, google, etc. and they will be done.
The mines are still mostly in corporate hands.
You really think the ANC will nationalise the internet search engines and social media? Seriously? Or do you think the Economic Freedom Fighters are about to form a government?
Re: Legacies of the cold war
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:55 am
by dyqik
JQH wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:51 pm
Herainestold wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:08 pm
I'm assuming JQH couldn't remember all the nationalisations when the ANC gained power, because key industries were all already nationalized.
They just need to do internet and Social Media, facebook, google, etc. and they will be done.
The mines are still mostly in corporate hands.
You really think the ANC will nationalise the internet search engines and social media? Seriously? Or do you think the Economic Freedom Fighters are about to form a government?
How broken do you have to be to think that direct government control of social media and its censorship is good for anyone except oligarchs and dictators?