Scrutable

Stranger Mouse wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:01 am Tory councillor’s wife arrested for Xitter post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1jll3eg33wo

I wonder if she cried

And remanded in custody until Monday. She didn’t enter a plea. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/art ... ial-hatred

Stranger Mouse wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:54 pm

He used the hashtags #standwithlucyconnolly, #farageriots, #riotsuk and #f***northamptonshirepolice

I thought we were going to pretend they weren't the Farage Riots.

Interesting. This guy jailed after putting on Tik Tok that he was running for his life from right wing rioters last Wednesday. Apparently he wasn’t happy that sh.t wasn’t kicking off so he decided to make it happen. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/tiktoker-jai ... ri-stoica/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/art ... dApp_Other

Nasty-Lemon might not have a valid Irish passport

jimbob wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:42 pm https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/art ... dApp_Other

Nasty-Lemon might not have a valid Irish passport

I'm guessing he can fall back on British citizenship, but it would be somewhat hilarious if he ended up stateless and in the same boat as Begum.

FlammableFlower wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:28 pm

jimbob wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:42 pm https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/art ... dApp_Other

Nasty-Lemon might not have a valid Irish passport

I'm guessing he can fall back on British citizenship, but it would be somewhat hilarious if he ended up stateless and in the same boat as Begum.

He’s probably still entitled to Irish citizenship, but not having a valid passport might f.ck things up for him. Be a real shame if he was found to have travelled illegally.

Mr England Shirt

Sentencing for rioter who looted Lush while wearing England top delayed over claims he offered prison officer his autograph

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rioter-who-l ... autograph/

Stranger Mouse wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 5:20 pm Bus w.nker pled guilty today

https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/182228 ... 07936?s=61

And this guy just got 10 months for trying some Shitkwondo on a copper. What would possess you to do that? How would he possibly think he would get away from it?

https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/182192 ... 69824?s=61

10 months

He was also told to pay £500 to the bus driver, £200 to the police officer he racially abused and £200 to a staff member at Ladbrokes.
Mongan bowed his head as the sentence was read out in court and told the judge afterwards: "They won't see a pound of it from me."

Plymouth rioter mentioned in his police interview concerns "about the better use of taxpayers' money and why people were having to pay to keep these people in this country after committing such heinous crimes."
Judge has his own thoughts about the rioter's own "cost to the taxpayer" Apologies, it's a Retch newspaper link:
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/uk ... o-29734794

Gfamily wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:37 am Plymouth rioter mentioned in his police interview concerns "about the better use of taxpayers' money and why people were having to pay to keep these people in this country after committing such heinous crimes."
Judge has his own thoughts about the rioter's own "cost to the taxpayer"
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Apologies, it's a Retch newspaper link:
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/uk ... o-29734794

I was about to post that. f.cking Hell - being told off like that must be worse than the prison sentence.

I wonder what that works out to in monetary terms? Someone somewhere must be able to do a rough calculation (with big error bars).

FlammableFlower wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 1:53 pm I wonder what that works out to in monetary terms? Someone somewhere must be able to do a rough calculation (with big error bars).

It's hard to get figures
I have 2 sources of £/prisoner/yr:
* 2001 Home Office saying ~£35k
* 2023 Statista report saying ~£51k, but that in 2015/16 it was ~£35k,

... so it's hard to tell.
If we take 30yrs at an average of £35k it's over £1m

Gfamily wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 2:48 pm

FlammableFlower wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 1:53 pm I wonder what that works out to in monetary terms? Someone somewhere must be able to do a rough calculation (with big error bars).

It's hard to get figures
I have 2 sources of £/prisoner/yr:
* 2001 Home Office saying ~£35k
* 2023 Statista report saying ~£51k, but that in 2015/16 it was ~£35k,

... so it's hard to tell.
If we take 30yrs at an average of £35k it's over £1m

He won't have spent 30 years in prison. The judge said many of the sentences were concurrent, and it's unlikely he will have done full time for all of them anyway.

discovolante wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 3:09 pm

Gfamily wrote:

FlammableFlower wrote: I wonder what that works out to in monetary terms? Someone somewhere must be able to do a rough calculation (with big error bars).

It's hard to get figures
I have 2 sources of £/prisoner/yr:
* 2001 Home Office saying ~£35k
* 2023 Statista report saying ~£51k, but that in 2015/16 it was ~£35k,

... so it's hard to tell.
If we take 30yrs at an average of £35k it's over £1m

He won't have spent 30 years in prison. The judge said many of the sentences were concurrent, and it's unlikely he will have done full time for all of them anyway.

Probably the better point is that whenever he was inside he was definitely a net user rather than a contributor of tax.

Grumble wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 3:11 pm

discovolante wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 3:09 pm

Gfamily wrote:
It's hard to get figures
I have 2 sources of £/prisoner/yr:
* 2001 Home Office saying ~£35k
* 2023 Statista report saying ~£51k, but that in 2015/16 it was ~£35k,

... so it's hard to tell.
If we take 30yrs at an average of £35k it's over £1m

He won't have spent 30 years in prison. The judge said many of the sentences were concurrent, and it's unlikely he will have done full time for all of them anyway.

Probably the better point is that whenever he was inside he was definitely a net user rather than a contributor of tax.

Not going to argue with that! Plus the cost to the court system, possibly legal aid etc.

I'm not really a huge fan of making these sorts of calculations but well, hypocrisy.

Hm the government isn't really doing much to change the narrative, is it: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87yp75ego

discovolante wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:18 pm Hm the government isn't really doing much to change the narrative, is it: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87yp75ego

I don't see what the issue is. Returning those with no right to be here, whether through visas or legit asylum claims, is a good thing isn't it?

That and a more humane asylum policy (speed it up, better routes to claim etc.) are not mutually exclusive.

Tristan wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:34 pm

discovolante wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:18 pm Hm the government isn't really doing much to change the narrative, is it: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87yp75ego

I don't see what the issue is. Returning those with no right to be here, whether through visas or legit asylum claims, is a good thing isn't it?

That and a more humane asylum policy (speed it up, better routes to claim etc.) are not mutually exclusive.

It depends on whether or not you consider existing laws to be fair. For example, someone might be here illegally for reasons that are really little other than bureaucratic.

I also posted the link in this thread because the messaging is really not substantially different to the previous government; the new government's main criticism of Tory handling of immigration is that it wasn't efficient enough. It seems unlikely to me that that's going to do much to change the attitudes that led to the riots this month.

The person who filmed the attempted lynch mob of a lone black man in Manchester has been jailed.

He's a nazi with 31 previous convictions for sexual assault, including on 13 year olds

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... d-29785795

discovolante wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:18 pm Hm the government isn't really doing much to change the narrative, is it: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87yp75ego

And it's not even effective, apparently: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/art ... dApp_Other

Rioter and all-round conspiracy theorist dies in prison. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpw5w8nl5ezo

Obviously he knew too much and agents of one or more of the Deep State, NASA, the Environmental Agency etc etc finally got to him.

Martin Y wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 12:32 pm Rioter and all-round conspiracy theorist dies in prison. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpw5w8nl5ezo

Obviously he knew too much and agents of one or more of the Deep State, NASA, the Environmental Agency etc etc finally got to him.

Yes, it was THEY: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/they-2

https://metro.co.uk/2024/11/21/southpor ... =opera&amp

The rioter who became a meme for strutting in front of the riot police, in front of the main rioters and got hit in the head by a brick bouncing off a riot shield and then hit in the groin by another brick on the way back to his lines* is now facing jail



*I'm sure an anthropologist of conflict would have something to say about the fact that there were two opposing lines, with a no man's land in the middle, where said rioter was strutting in.