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Re: How to help end structural racism
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:52 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Setting the bar very low indeed - but here's a good example of what not to do
Re: How to help end structural racism
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:58 pm
by tom p
Bird on a Fire wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:52 pm
Setting the bar very low indeed - but here's a good example of what not to do
Uh. How the f.ck is that related to this thread?
This is some horrible racists being horribly racist.
It's deliberate racist provocation. You do understand that, right?
Can't we keep this thread to positive things that can help?
Re: How to help end structural racism
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:04 pm
by El Pollo Diablo
I agree with tom, to be honest. I know it was posted in some jest but I think that post is better being somewhere not here.
Re: How to help end structural racism
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:25 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Fair enough, I
shall have split the posts off.
To clarify, I intended that photo to be an example of a well-intentioned but misguided attempt to show solidarity. While I can't find the discussion where I got that particular example from, there have been many examples of
influencers wearing blackface. It's an effect of people wanting to do something, or wanting to be seen to do something, without having put in the effort to make sure that their efforts will be received as intended.
Misguided attempts at solidarity - blackface edition
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:25 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Posts split from "How to help end structural racism" thread.
Re: How to help end structural racism
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:37 pm
by Bird on a Fire
tom p wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:58 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:52 pm
Setting the bar very low indeed - but here's a good example of what not to do
Uh. How the f.ck is that related to this thread?
This is some horrible racists being horribly racist.
It's deliberate racist provocation. You do understand that, right?
Can't we keep this thread to positive things that can help?
Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case, though I can totally see why you'd think so. There have actually been a lot of instances of celebrities and 'influencers' posting
images of themselves in blackface to 'support' BLM (apologies for Mail link, but it includes plenty of equally egregious examples). That image is apparently well-intentioned, from a Russian influencer and her family.
I was intending it as a light-hearted example of how one person's well-intentioned action can easily come across as absurdly tone-deaf to others, as we'd been discussing. Note also that many of the people involved have doubled down, rather than apologising, in the belief that their good intentions override the offence they've caused to others.
Obviously without context that doesn't come across, and I don't want to derail the other thread. Sorry for the confusion.
Re: Misguided attempts at solidarity - blackface edition
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:09 pm
by tom p
f.cking hell, some people really are facile and deluded aren't they.
The whole "raising awareness" thing is just such a dumb load of crap.
Thanks for splitting it - sorry I was a bit grumpy about your post. I see what you were getting at; however I don't believe for one second that the picture you posted is anything other than people being deliberately racist and provocative, no matter what they might subsequently claim. Every bit of it is clearly designed to be racist or to provoke.
Re: How to help end structural racism
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:05 pm
by Bewildered
Bird on a Fire wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:37 pm
tom p wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:58 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:52 pm
Setting the bar very low indeed - but here's a good example of what not to do
Uh. How the f.ck is that related to this thread?
This is some horrible racists being horribly racist.
It's deliberate racist provocation. You do understand that, right?
Can't we keep this thread to positive things that can help?
Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case, though I can totally see why you'd think so. There have actually been a lot of instances of celebrities and 'influencers' posting
images of themselves in blackface to 'support' BLM (apologies for Mail link, but it includes plenty of equally egregious examples). That image is apparently well-intentioned, from a Russian influencer and her family.
I was intending it as a light-hearted example of how one person's well-intentioned action can easily come across as absurdly tone-deaf to others, as we'd been discussing. Note also that many of the people involved have doubled down, rather than apologising, in the belief that their good intentions override the offence they've caused to others.
Obviously without context that doesn't come across, and I don't want to derail the other thread. Sorry for the confusion.
The examples I saw in the dailymail article look like you describe them, people trying to support BLM in a very stupid way by doing blackface.
The picture on the OP looks completely different, it looks like intentionally racist mockery of BLM and it can’t possibly be a well intentioned attempt to support BLM. Unless you are claiming the whole thing was meant to be satirical?