Abattoirs everywhere continuing to be hit: time to go veggie?
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:47 am
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That's probably applicable to previous pandemics ever since agriculture caught on. It's people living cheek-by-jowl-or-other-appropriate-body-part with their livestock which has given bugs the opportunity to try a new host.Bird on a Fire wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:33 am This pandemic wouldn't have happened without meat consumption, and previous near-misses have all resulted from meat production too.
For sure - Guns, Germs and Steel makes much of this, for instance, along with less controversial sources.Martin Y wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:33 pmThat's probably applicable to previous pandemics ever since agriculture caught on. It's people living cheek-by-jowl-or-other-appropriate-body-part with their livestock which has given bugs the opportunity to try a new host.Bird on a Fire wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:33 am This pandemic wouldn't have happened without meat consumption, and previous near-misses have all resulted from meat production too.
English milk bottles in the late 1960s often bore the abbreviation TT, signifying that the farm supplying the milk had a tuberculin testing regime in place. Bovine tuberculosis in the dairy herd often crossed into the human herd in the first half of the 20th century, and was potentially fatal. TT was the screening process to identify and limit potential outbreaks.Martin Y wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:33 pmThat's probably applicable to previous pandemics ever since agriculture caught on. It's people living cheek-by-jowl-or-other-appropriate-body-part with their livestock which has given bugs the opportunity to try a new host.Bird on a Fire wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:33 am This pandemic wouldn't have happened without meat consumption, and previous near-misses have all resulted from meat production too.
I thought it was claimed that the source of the coronavirus was a bat - not exactly something you'd find in one of Bernard Matthews' mass-production cages. ISTM that you could make a case that modern agriculture, with Western levels of consumer protection, is safer, at least in terms of infections, than at any time in the past. (Questions about CO2 emissions and what to do with all the manure are very likely another matter.)Bird on a Fire wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:05 pm The difference now is in scale and intensity, which commonly produce qualitatively different outcomes in ecology. For any given pathogen there'll be a threshold of host population density, immunosuppression etc below which it goes extinct and above which it can become endemic. We need to shift food production systems below that threshold, reliably, and unless the human population plummets overnight that means rearing a lot less livestock.