To what extent is psychic ability determined by genetics?

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To what extent is psychic ability determined by genetics?

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Apparently that is a real research question. :shock:
It is commonly believed that psychic ability, like many mental and physical traits, runs in families. This suggests the presence of a genetic component. If such a component were found, it would constitute a biological marker of psychic ability and inform environmental or pharmacologic means of enhancing or suppressing this ability.
The affiliations of the authors are, umm, "eclectic", but I have to give points to author #4 for being, as the saying goes, "unimproveably named".

Paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0721000501
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It's well documented that experiencing poltergeist activity is strongly associated with having a teenage daughter. Does that count?
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"madness is genetic: you get it from your kids"
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"The most conservative interpretation of these results is that they result from random population sampling". But who wants to be the "most conservative" eh? That sounds a bit close-minded, right?

Got to be something in it, surely. Stands to reason.
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I suggest following up with this classic from the BMJ

https://www.bmj.com/content/335/7633/1299
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Bird on a Fire wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 1:11 am I suggest following up with this classic from the BMJ

https://www.bmj.com/content/335/7633/1299
This is from the BMJ Christmas edition. Usually umm very different papers including quite a bit of satire.
sTeamTraen wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 7:51 pm Apparently that is a real research question. :shock:
It is commonly believed that psychic ability, like many mental and physical traits, runs in families. This suggests the presence of a genetic component. If such a component were found, it would constitute a biological marker of psychic ability and inform environmental or pharmacologic means of enhancing or suppressing this ability.
The affiliations of the authors are, umm, "eclectic", but I have to give points to author #4 for being, as the saying goes, "unimproveably named".

Paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0721000501
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The first author is from the Institute of Noetic Sciences in California. I had to look that up.
In philosophy, noetics is a branch of metaphysics concerned with the study of mind as well as intellect. There is also a reference to the science of noetics, which covers the field of thinking and knowing, thought and knowledge, as well as mental operations, processes, states, and products through the data of the written word
A friend of mine's great aunt was a spey-wife but sadly he has inherited none of her abilities. She did leave him the bell she used to summon the spirits though.
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Tessa K wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 7:31 am The first author is from the Institute of Noetic Sciences in California. I had to look that up.
In philosophy, noetics is a branch of metaphysics concerned with the study of mind as well as intellect. There is also a reference to the science of noetics, which covers the field of thinking and knowing, thought and knowledge, as well as mental operations, processes, states, and products through the data of the written word
A friend of mine's great aunt was a spey-wife but sadly he has inherited none of her abilities. She did leave him the bell she used to summon the spirits though.
Noetic from noos, nous = mind? Translating "Institute of deliberately esoteric word Sciences" to "Bunch of w.nkers" is probably accurate here.
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basementer wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 8:08 am
Tessa K wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 7:31 am The first author is from the Institute of Noetic Sciences in California. I had to look that up.
In philosophy, noetics is a branch of metaphysics concerned with the study of mind as well as intellect. There is also a reference to the science of noetics, which covers the field of thinking and knowing, thought and knowledge, as well as mental operations, processes, states, and products through the data of the written word
A friend of mine's great aunt was a spey-wife but sadly he has inherited none of her abilities. She did leave him the bell she used to summon the spirits though.
Noetic from noos, nous = mind? Translating "Institute of deliberately esoteric word Sciences" to "Bunch of w.nkers" is probably accurate here.
Yes, that's the etymology. Someone pointed out on Twitter that she is also a naturopathic 'doctor'.

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Tessa K wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 7:31 am The first author is from the Institute of Noetic Sciences in California. I had to look that up.
In philosophy, noetics is a branch of metaphysics concerned with the study of mind as well as intellect. There is also a reference to the science of noetics, which covers the field of thinking and knowing, thought and knowledge, as well as mental operations, processes, states, and products through the data of the written word
A friend of mine's great aunt was a spey-wife but sadly he has inherited none of her abilities. She did leave him the bell she used to summon the spirits though.
A pseudoscience, sorry parapsychology science, institute.

I was bemused by their staff list https://noetic.org/about/staff/

An Institute with hardly any scientists, but lots of auxiliary staff including an Executive Kitchen Manager. This is not a job position description I have not come across before.
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Chris Preston wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 10:03 am
Tessa K wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 7:31 am The first author is from the Institute of Noetic Sciences in California. I had to look that up.
In philosophy, noetics is a branch of metaphysics concerned with the study of mind as well as intellect. There is also a reference to the science of noetics, which covers the field of thinking and knowing, thought and knowledge, as well as mental operations, processes, states, and products through the data of the written word
A friend of mine's great aunt was a spey-wife but sadly he has inherited none of her abilities. She did leave him the bell she used to summon the spirits though.
A pseudoscience, sorry parapsychology science, institute.

I was bemused by their staff list https://noetic.org/about/staff/

An Institute with hardly any scientists, but lots of auxiliary staff including an Executive Kitchen Manager. This is not a job position description I have not come across before.
She's the Head Dinner Lady.

It does say The People Behind The Magic on the staff listing page. A bit like the Hogwarts staff list maybe...
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I'm thinking something along the lines of, you don't usually get that many knobs on a magic staff.
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basementer wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 3:57 pm I'm thinking something along the lines of, you don't usually get that many knobs on a magic staff.
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basementer wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 3:57 pm I'm thinking something along the lines of, you don't usually get that many knobs on a magic staff.
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