Angela Rayner
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:30 pm
Toss up between her and Gove for the next PM I reckon.
You can't just leave that dangling like that
We were talking about Michael Gove rumours, not Angela Rayner rumours.Bird on a Fire wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:20 pm I googled for Angela Rayner rumours, and there seems to be some suggestion she is or was shagging a married MP https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12898761/ ... arried-mp/
Sadly adding "dangling" to my search didn't turn up anything salacious, and I'm super curious.
His affair with Gina Coladangelo (is that the dang(e)l-ing referred) is now fact rather than rumour, and has resulted in divorce proceedings from his journalist gossipmonger wife of 20 years, Sarah Vine.Bird on a Fire wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:57 am Not sure I dare Google that. Who knows what I'll find.
niceStephanie wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:45 pm The dangling was a reference to some popbitch rumours about his cock.
We could do with a few more politicians speaking their minds, I certainly agree with her and I think many people will. One of the reasons for Trump succeeding was that he wasn’t guarded in his language and people like that.sheldrake wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:15 am She's genuine working class, but shouty 'tory scum' rheotoric suggests her objectivity and restraint are roughly on the same level as Trump's, but in the opposite direction.
Some people do, but I think it can have terrible polarising effects when it comes across as blanket dehumanization of political opponents. We saw it with Trump in the US, and it can happen just as destructively from the left. I'd prefer a leader who unites people.Grumble wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:32 pmWe could do with a few more politicians speaking their minds, I certainly agree with her and I think many people will. One of the reasons for Trump succeeding was that he wasn’t guarded in his language and people like that.sheldrake wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:15 am She's genuine working class, but shouty 'tory scum' rheotoric suggests her objectivity and restraint are roughly on the same level as Trump's, but in the opposite direction.
What Rayner did is worlds apart from what Trump did and continues to do. There's barely any comparison.sheldrake wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:34 pmSome people do, but I think it can have terrible polarising effects when it comes across as blanket dehumanization of political opponents. We saw it with Trump in the US, and it can happen just as destructively from the left. I'd prefer a leader who unites people.Grumble wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:32 pmWe could do with a few more politicians speaking their minds, I certainly agree with her and I think many people will. One of the reasons for Trump succeeding was that he wasn’t guarded in his language and people like that.sheldrake wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:15 am She's genuine working class, but shouty 'tory scum' rheotoric suggests her objectivity and restraint are roughly on the same level as Trump's, but in the opposite direction.
Rayner hasn't a platform as leader of the country yet. I'd be very careful with people who say stuff like 'X class of people are scum'.monkey wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:29 pmWhat Rayner did is worlds apart from what Trump did and continues to do. There's barely any comparison.sheldrake wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:34 pmSome people do, but I think it can have terrible polarising effects when it comes across as blanket dehumanization of political opponents. We saw it with Trump in the US, and it can happen just as destructively from the left. I'd prefer a leader who unites people.Grumble wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:32 pm
We could do with a few more politicians speaking their minds, I certainly agree with her and I think many people will. One of the reasons for Trump succeeding was that he wasn’t guarded in his language and people like that.
She was speaking to small room of Labour activists. The only reason you heard about the meeting is because she said "scum". When Trump insults people, it's to Rallies of 1000s, in front of international media, with much of that guaranteed to give positive coverage. It's not the same at all. Did you hear her call Tories scum during her conference speech, or in PMQs the other day? No, because Trump is orders of magnitude worse.sheldrake wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:34 pmRayner hasn't a platform as leader of the country yet. I'd be very careful with people who say stuff like 'X class of people are scum'.monkey wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:29 pmWhat Rayner did is worlds apart from what Trump did and continues to do. There's barely any comparison.sheldrake wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:34 pm
Some people do, but I think it can have terrible polarising effects when it comes across as blanket dehumanization of political opponents. We saw it with Trump in the US, and it can happen just as destructively from the left. I'd prefer a leader who unites people.
That seems a bit harsh to me, but she can't be fired anyway, Deputy Leader is an elected position (see Tom Watson and Corbyn).
Presumably there were also journalists in attendance, and that is how we know.monkey wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:53 pm
She was speaking to small room of Labour activists. The only reason you heard about the meeting is because she said "scum". When Trump insults people, it's to Rallies of 1000s, in front of international media, with much of that guaranteed to give positive coverage. It's not the same at all. Did you hear her call Tories scum during her conference speech, or in PMQs the other day? No, because Trump is orders of magnitude worse.
She shouldn't have said it, that's fair enough because it's not good politics, even if justified (see Hilary Clinton and her deplorables, which would be a better comparison). But the comparison to Trump is Bobbins.
It's less worrying because of the scale and context.sheldrake wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:10 pmPresumably there were also journalists in attendance, and that is how we know.monkey wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:53 pm
She was speaking to small room of Labour activists. The only reason you heard about the meeting is because she said "scum". When Trump insults people, it's to Rallies of 1000s, in front of international media, with much of that guaranteed to give positive coverage. It's not the same at all. Did you hear her call Tories scum during her conference speech, or in PMQs the other day? No, because Trump is orders of magnitude worse.
She shouldn't have said it, that's fair enough because it's not good politics, even if justified (see Hilary Clinton and her deplorables, which would be a better comparison). But the comparison to Trump is Bobbins.
I'm not convinced that it becomes any less worrying because she didn't realise we would find out.
I might suggest it's a (good) way of securing extra Labour votes in Merseysidesheldrake wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:15 am She's genuine working class, but shouty 'tory scum' rheotoric suggests her objectivity and restraint are roughly on the same level as Trump's, but in the opposite direction.