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Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:56 pm**

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 17139.html

I’m beginning to think her inability to predict the political ramifications of what comes out of her mouth could cost the Labour Party dearly.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:10 pm**

She's John Prescot to Starmer's Blair... got to have a gruff northern commoner speaking a bit of the stuff working class folks like to say down the pub.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:15 pm**

Stranger Mouse wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:56 pm https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 17139.html

I’m beginning to think her inability to predict the political ramifications of what comes out of her mouth could cost the Labour Party dearly.

Anyone sensible hates that sort of b.llsh.t talk.
Sadly, the UK is not entirely packed with sensible people, and that sort of b.llsh.t goes down very well with the millions of people who read the scum and the daily heil.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:38 pm**

What Labour party?

As far as I can tell there are now two tory party's.
I actually had hopes that Rayner was just biding her time putting up with Keith's swing towards UKIP but unfortunately it seems she is every bit as bad as the rest of the PLP excluding one or two.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:14 pm**

Being "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" is what Labour want to talk about at the moment. As in the Blair years* they seem to be forgetting about the 2nd bit.

*The slogan was also in the 2017 manifesto.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:47 pm**

monkey wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:14 pm Being "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" is what Labour want to talk about at the moment. As in the Blair years* they seem to be forgetting about the 2nd bit.

*The slogan was also in the 2017 manifesto.

People love missing the second part of sayings. They do it with "one bad apple" all the time.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:12 pm**

Fishnut wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:47 pm
monkey wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:14 pm Being "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" is what Labour want to talk about at the moment. As in the Blair years* they seem to be forgetting about the 2nd bit.

*The slogan was also in the 2017 manifesto.
People love missing the second part of sayings. They do it with "one bad apple" all the time.

Actually, I think I was wrong. Steve Reed hasn't forgotten about the second bit, he's been fairly explicit that it just shouldn't have too much weight:

But slamming his party’s past record, [Steve Reed] told the Mirror: “Given the period that Labour’s gone through over the last 10 years, but particularly under the last leadership - the days when Labour cared more about the criminals than about their victims are well and truly over.”

Mr Reed said rehabilitation and tackling the causes of crime are essential. But he added: “I think when Jeremy Corbyn was the leader, we gave the impression that we were more concerned about the criminals than about their victims.

“And I think Blair got this right actually. Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime is the right thing to do. I think the public understand the balance between those two aspects.

“There are things in people’s lives that make them more likely to offend, but you can get out of balance with that.

“And I think if you over-focus on the things that have happened in people’s lives that lead them to offend, it can sound like you’re trying to excuse what they’ve done.

“We cannot, because they’ve damaged someone else’s life.”

clicky

ETA: I worry that with the opposition talking like this, needed Police reform will be a long way down the road.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:45 pm**

Iron Magpie wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:38 pm What Labour party?

As far as I can tell there are now two tory party's.
I actually had hopes that Rayner was just biding her time putting up with Keith's swing towards UKIP but unfortunately it seems she is every bit as bad as the rest of the PLP excluding one or two.

Keith. Jesus. What are you? 12??

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:52 pm**

Presumably the questions that she wants to ask later include things like "Hang on, wasn't that guy a Brazilian electrician?"

Maybe she's heard that there is a vacancy at the head of the Met, and she's trying to make sure she fits the job description and person specification.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 5:04 pm**

headshot wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:45 pm
Iron Magpie wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:38 pm What Labour party?

As far as I can tell there are now two tory party's.
I actually had hopes that Rayner was just biding her time putting up with Keith's swing towards UKIP but unfortunately it seems she is every bit as bad as the rest of the PLP excluding one or two.
Keith. Jesus. What are you? 12??

Must admit I thought the same.

And I’m not sure the current Labour Party is likely to become anything like the current iteration of the Tory party any time soon. I’d still say they are preferable to the Boris Johnson cult even if I would prefer them to be more progressive.

TBH I thought the closest alignment with UKIP was during the Corbyn / Brexit days when it came to how they talked about immigration (Kate Hoey etc)

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 5:15 pm**

Stranger Mouse wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 5:04 pm
headshot wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:45 pm
Iron Magpie wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:38 pm What Labour party?

As far as I can tell there are now two tory party's.
I actually had hopes that Rayner was just biding her time putting up with Keith's swing towards UKIP but unfortunately it seems she is every bit as bad as the rest of the PLP excluding one or two.
Keith. Jesus. What are you? 12??
Must admit I thought the same.

And I’m not sure the current Labour Party is likely to become anything like the current iteration of the Tory party any time soon. I’d still say they are preferable to the Boris Johnson cult even if I would prefer them to be more progressive.

TBH I thought the closest alignment with UKIP was during the Corbyn / Brexit days when it came to how they talked about immigration (Kate Hoey etc)

Remember the immigration mugs? They came out under Ed Milliband, and were an appeal to likely UKIP voters. Kate Honey also wasn't very representative of Labour's position on Brexit/freedom of movement during Corbyn's time (she had one).

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:37 pm**

headshot wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:45 pm
Iron Magpie wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:38 pm What Labour party?

As far as I can tell there are now two tory party's.
I actually had hopes that Rayner was just biding her time putting up with Keith's swing towards UKIP but unfortunately it seems she is every bit as bad as the rest of the PLP excluding one or two.
Keith. Jesus. What are you? 12??

I'm wondering how many people you have pulled up about calling Jeremy Corbyn Steptoe or any other number of insulting names he has had over the years. But call the Silent Knight Keith and you lose your sh.t. Still I suppose it helps avoid the fact that Sir Abstainalot is utterly f.cking useless and is doing his best to out tory the tories.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:41 pm**

Iron Magpie wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:37 pm
headshot wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:45 pm
Iron Magpie wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:38 pm What Labour party?

As far as I can tell there are now two tory party's.
I actually had hopes that Rayner was just biding her time putting up with Keith's swing towards UKIP but unfortunately it seems she is every bit as bad as the rest of the PLP excluding one or two.
Keith. Jesus. What are you? 12??
I'm wondering how many people you have pulled up about calling Jeremy Corbyn Steptoe or any other number of insulting names he has had over the years. But call the Silent Knight Keith and you lose your sh.t. Still I suppose it helps avoid the fact that Sir Abstainalot is utterly f.cking useless and is doing his best to out tory the tories.

Well no-one here has called Corbyn "Steptoe", so that'd be zero. If he has lots of other insulting nicknames, I can try those and see if I get any hits. Any suggestions?

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:48 pm**

Stranger Mouse wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 5:04 pm
headshot wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:45 pm
Iron Magpie wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:38 pm What Labour party?

As far as I can tell there are now two tory party's.
I actually had hopes that Rayner was just biding her time putting up with Keith's swing towards UKIP but unfortunately it seems she is every bit as bad as the rest of the PLP excluding one or two.
Keith. Jesus. What are you? 12??
Must admit I thought the same.

And I’m not sure the current Labour Party is likely to become anything like the current iteration of the Tory party any time soon. I’d still say they are preferable to the Boris Johnson cult even if I would prefer them to be more progressive.

TBH I thought the closest alignment with UKIP was during the Corbyn / Brexit days when it came to how they talked about immigration (Kate Hoey etc)

Well when certain members of the party formerly known as Labour are coming out with statements like Rayners and I think it was Steve Reed (shadow communities secretary)* who wants to publicly humiliate people with his ideas of naming and shaming those convicted of drug offences then it's a fair assumption that labour has no connection to the progressive democratic socialist party that it once was and is trying to out tory the tories.

*I'd never heard of him before this. What a progressive chap he must be to think this is a good idea when all around the world sensible governments are treating drug use as the health issue that it is and moving away from the complete failure of the war on drugs to the point that the country that started the WoD has moved away from it as well.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:49 pm**

jdc wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:41 pm
Iron Magpie wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:37 pm
headshot wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:45 pm

Keith. Jesus. What are you? 12??
I'm wondering how many people you have pulled up about calling Jeremy Corbyn Steptoe or any other number of insulting names he has had over the years. But call the Silent Knight Keith and you lose your sh.t. Still I suppose it helps avoid the fact that Sir Abstainalot is utterly f.cking useless and is doing his best to out tory the tories.
Well no-one here has called Corbyn "Steptoe", so that'd be zero. If he has lots of other insulting nicknames, I can try those and see if I get any hits. Any suggestions?

Ah bless. Headshot has a fan club sticking up for him......

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:20 pm**

Iron Magpie wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:38 pm What Labour party?

As far as I can tell there are now two tory party's.
I actually had hopes that Rayner was just biding her time putting up with Keith's swing towards UKIP but unfortunately it seems she is every bit as bad as the rest of the PLP excluding one or two.

There is probably more difference between Labour and the Conservative party now than at any other time in my lifetime. Including 1983.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:46 pm**

Iron Magpie wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:37 pm
headshot wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:45 pm
Iron Magpie wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:38 pm What Labour party?

As far as I can tell there are now two tory party's.
I actually had hopes that Rayner was just biding her time putting up with Keith's swing towards UKIP but unfortunately it seems she is every bit as bad as the rest of the PLP excluding one or two.
Keith. Jesus. What are you? 12??
I'm wondering how many people you have pulled up about calling Jeremy Corbyn Steptoe or any other number of insulting names he has had over the years. But call the Silent Knight Keith and you lose your sh.t. Still I suppose it helps avoid the fact that Sir Abstainalot is utterly f.cking useless and is doing his best to out tory the tories.

Finding the “Keith” nickname a bit tiresome is hardly “losing my sh.t”.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:07 pm**

Stranger Mouse wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:46 pm Finding the “Keith” nickname a bit tiresome is hardly “losing my sh.t”.

I assumed it was a failed voice recognition/autocorrect issue, reckoning it a bit too childish to be doing it deliberately.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:51 pm**

jimbob wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:20 pm
Iron Magpie wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:38 pm What Labour party?

As far as I can tell there are now two tory party's.
I actually had hopes that Rayner was just biding her time putting up with Keith's swing towards UKIP but unfortunately it seems she is every bit as bad as the rest of the PLP excluding one or two.
There is probably more difference between Labour and the Conservative party now than at any other time in my lifetime. Including 1983.

I’d agree with that

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:49 pm**

Is Keith meant to be an insulting nickname? I don’t understand.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:59 pm**

Grumble wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:49 pm Is Keith meant to be an insulting nickname? I don’t understand.

I think it's because he's boring and it's kind of close to Keir.

This is unfair on actual Keiths.

Posted: **Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:01 am**

Grumble wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:49 pm Is Keith meant to be an insulting nickname? I don’t understand.

Because he's not Proper Labour, or because he's boring. Take your pick.

“Originally, the Left rebranded Keir as ‘Keith’ to dissociate him from the Labour legend he’s named after”.

“The man is bland as vanilla and so is the name Keith, so that may also have something to do with it.”

2nd explanation reminds me of the nickname for Palace fans - stripey Nigels.

Posted: **Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:47 am**

jdc wrote: Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:01 am
Grumble wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:49 pm Is Keith meant to be an insulting nickname? I don’t understand.
Because he's not Proper Labour, or because he's boring. Take your pick.

“Originally, the Left rebranded Keir as ‘Keith’ to dissociate him from the Labour legend he’s named after”.

“The man is bland as vanilla and so is the name Keith, so that may also have something to do with it.”
2nd explanation reminds me of the nickname for Palace fans - stripey Nigels.

f.ck me, that’s so weak.

Posted: **Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:01 am**

Gfamily wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:07 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:46 pm Finding the “Keith” nickname a bit tiresome is hardly “losing my sh.t”.
I assumed it was a failed voice recognition/autocorrect issue, reckoning it a bit too childish to be doing it deliberately.

That's what I thought at first, but no.

Posted: **Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:02 am**

I think three people here called Corbyn Magic Grandpa.

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