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Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:36 pm
by noggins
Intellectually I understamd we treat asylum seekers like sh.t, but sometimes you need a to trivial story get under your defenses and kick you in the nuts.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... lum-centre

Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:42 pm
by Fishnut
The murals are trivial, the fact a government minister has decided they need painting over because god forbid we show some compassion to kids who have been though hell is most definitely not trivial. That the minister for immigration thinks this is where he should be focusing his attention rather than, say, looking for the the 154 children who are missing after being placed in the care of his department speaks volumes.

We have a government that is built on callousness. That is built on inhumanity. That is built on denying basic human dignity wherever possible.

I just don't know how we make things better. Refugee numbers are only going to increase as parts of the world become uninhabitable due to climate change. And yet we have a government refusing to do anything to combat climate change while simultaneously refusing to deal with the consequences of their inaction.

I despair.

Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:06 am
by discovolante
Unless the definition of refugee is changed, people who are displaced due to climate change are not going to get any of that protection. The UNHCR's work on this seems to reflect what a patchwork of issues is: https://www.unhcr.org/what-we-do/build- ... change-and. The painting over the murals is ridiculously petty and callous. But, they got some nicer sofas because they were told to, so that's alright.

Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:10 pm
by jimbob
I actually think and hope that this performative cruelty losses some of the remaining habitual Tory voter ls

Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:51 pm
by FlammableFlower
It's that horrendous logic. They want to make the immigration experience totally and utterly unpleasant in the hope that people will choose to leave and word spreads to discourage others coming.

It's the same with the migrant hotels. There is a deliberate policy of not cleaning them in order that they become inhospitable.

As it is with the Rwanda policy. The Tories hope that the additional cost will be outweighed by the overall outcome of reduced immigration.

Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:42 pm
by bjn
FlammableFlower wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:51 pm It's that horrendous logic. They want to make the immigration experience totally and utterly unpleasant in the hope that people will choose to leave and word spreads to discourage others coming.

It's the same with the migrant hotels. There is a deliberate policy of not cleaning them in order that they become inhospitable.

As it is with the Rwanda policy. The Tories hope that the additional cost will be outweighed by the overall outcome of reduced immigration.
I don’t even think it is that well thought out. They just want to have something to show to the racists and the Daily Mail happy and don’t care if it works or not.

Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:34 pm
by Gfamily
bjn wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:42 pm
FlammableFlower wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:51 pm It's that horrendous logic. They want to make the immigration experience totally and utterly unpleasant in the hope that people will choose to leave and word spreads to discourage others coming.

It's the same with the migrant hotels. There is a deliberate policy of not cleaning them in order that they become inhospitable.

As it is with the Rwanda policy. The Tories hope that the additional cost will be outweighed by the overall outcome of reduced immigration.
I don’t even think it is that well thought out. They just want to have something to show to the racists and the Daily Mail happy and don’t care if it works or not.
I don't even think it's as considered as that.
Is there a possible headline that would present the removal of child friendly murals in a child detention centre as 'a positive story'?
It's not that, it's that their second thoughts have overtaken their first (or their third thoughts).

First thought - oh, a nice welcoming, child friendly mural
Second thought - we don't want to be welcoming, so we must remove the mural,
Third thought - given that the children are not 'drawn by' the mural; how will this look when it comes to headlines ?

Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 6:47 am
by headshot
Fourth thought - “Are we the baddies?”

Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:19 am
by bjn
headshot wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 6:47 am Fourth thought - “Are we the baddies?”
They’ll never get to that point.

Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:19 am
by bjn
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Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 4:59 pm
by Boustrophedon
As Michael Rosen asked: Will they be burning the picture books too?

Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:33 am
by Al Capone Junior
After reading the op and replies, I just gotta wonder if this thread isn't really about the repugnicans. But I'm quite sure if you just switched out tories for repugs and set it in Miami, nobody would even blink

Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:41 am
by dyqik
Al Capone Junior wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:33 am After reading the op and replies, I just gotta wonder if this thread isn't really about the repugnicans. But I'm quite sure if you just switched out tories for repugs and set it in Miami, nobody would even blink
They literally use the same political strategists.

Re: Suffer the little children, tory version

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:34 pm
by nekomatic
'It is the correct decision these facilities have the requisite decoration befitting their purpose' condescends Lord Murray, who was made a life peer by Liz Truss last October, to Lord Dubs, who arrived in Britain as a refugee from the Nazis in the Kindertransport in 1939.

https://twitter.com/ECPATUK/status/1678 ... 80449?s=20