Scrutable

FlammableFlower wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:22 am Seriously not helped by those on twitter either:
1) outright bullshitting and declaring it to be the work of an asylum seeker on an intelligence watch-list or
2) just going for the "people have genuine concerns and are expressing themselves"

Andy_Ross;14376026 wrote:Remember Goebells said Kristallnacht was a “spontaneous manifestation of indignation against the murder of Herr Vom Rath by the young Jew Grynsban.”

ore or less exactly what Tice, 30p Lee and Farage have been saying about the riots.

Opti wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:13 am I really hope that plenty of the rioters are identified and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

If a peaceful protest is worth 5 years what is a a full-blown race riot worth?

Stranger Mouse wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:10 am

Opti wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:13 am I really hope that plenty of the rioters are identified and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

If a peaceful protest is worth 5 years what is a a full-blown race riot worth?

Well the Just Stop Oil protestors were jailed on conspiracy charges to organise non violent but disruptive/potentially dangerous protest. The charges for violent “protest” conspiracy should be far harsher. It all depends on whether they can track it back to the individuals who organised this because it certainly wasn't spontaneous.

Perhaps this guy who I have had online run ins with

https://metro.co.uk/2024/08/02/tommy-ro ... -21347135/

An interesting mix of nastiness and stupidity

Brightonian wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:18 pm Belfast today. "Coolock Says No" is a slogan of an anti-asylum-seeker protestors in north Dublin. Yes, that is an Irish tricolour next to an Ulster flag which is associated with Unionism.
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jimbob wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:20 pm

Brightonian wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:18 pm Belfast today. "Coolock Says No" is a slogan of an anti-asylum-seeker protestors in north Dublin. Yes, that is an Irish tricolour next to an Ulster flag which is associated with Unionism.
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Is that photoshopped?

headshot wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:12 pm I think the Bibby Stockholm will be available soon.

discovolante wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:43 pm Surely some of these people can be charged with terrorism offences. Not arguing that those people in particular should be, but anyone who is setting fire to hotels that accommodate asylum seekers and holding mosques under siege should surely be considered for a charge at least.

Stranger Mouse wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:21 pm

discovolante wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:43 pm Surely some of these people can be charged with terrorism offences. Not arguing that those people in particular should be, but anyone who is setting fire to hotels that accommodate asylum seekers and holding mosques under siege should surely be considered for a charge at least.

I suppose it may just come down to what’s the easiest charge to get to stick which is why the tw.t who murdered Jo Cox wasn’t prosecuted under terrorism laws. I r would be nice if they were though.

discovolante wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:43 pm Surely some of these people can be charged with terrorism offences. Not arguing that those people in particular should be, but anyone who is setting fire to hotels that accommodate asylum seekers and holding mosques under siege should surely be considered for a charge at least.

Terrorism: interpretation.
(1)In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where—
(a)the action falls within subsection (2),
(b)the use or threat is designed to influence the government [F1or an international governmental organisation] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and
(c)the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious [F2, racial] or ideological cause.
(2)Action falls within this subsection if it—
(a)involves serious violence against a person,
(b)involves serious damage to property,
(c)endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action,
(d)creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or
(e)is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
(3)The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied.