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General Election 2019
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:49 pm
by Grumble
Let’s start this forum with a nice weighty topic eh? Plenty to discuss, not least Farage deciding not to contest with the Tories. Have the Remain Alliance provoked a degree of introspection not normally associated with Farage?
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:17 pm
by Fishnut
I doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a
£100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:25 pm
by Gfamily
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Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:42 pm
by Ben B
David Schneider wrote:As Nigel Farage takes £100 from would-be candidates before unilaterally deciding they won’t stand, Brexit Party members get to know what it really feels like to send significant sums of money to undemocratic, unelected leaders.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:45 pm
by P.J. Denyer
Fishnut wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:17 pm
I doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a
£100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
I thought it was £200? But I could be wrong, certainly they required it with the application while other parties only ask for it when you've passed the interview stage and are accepted in principal as a candidate.
So I guess this means that the deal that Farage said wasn't Brexit last week is Brexit now?
(Bye the way, "Hello Everyone"!)
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:22 pm
by jimbob
P.J. Denyer wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:45 pm
Fishnut wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:17 pm
I doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a
£100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
I thought it was £200? But I could be wrong, certainly they required it with the application while other parties only ask for it when you've passed the interview stage and are accepted in principal as a candidate.
So I guess this means that the deal that Farage said wasn't Brexit last week is Brexit now?
(Bye the way, "Hello Everyone"!)
<Waves>
It would be so easy to be rich if one had the moral integrity of Fromage
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:59 pm
by Fishnut
P.J. Denyer wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:45 pm
Fishnut wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:17 pm
I doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a
£100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
I thought it was £200? But I could be wrong, certainly they required it with the application while other parties only ask for it when you've passed the interview stage and are accepted in principal as a candidate.
So I guess this means that the deal that Farage said wasn't Brexit last week is Brexit now?
(Bye the way, "Hello Everyone"!)
Multiple sources say £100.
James O'Brien asked a former Brexit Party candidate if he'd ask for his £100 back and someone who applied to be a candidate
wrote up their story and said it was £100. That person said that while the Conservatives charge £250 that's only after they've gone through a process to ensure you're not wasting everyone's time with your application.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:05 pm
by P.J. Denyer
Fishnut wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:59 pm
P.J. Denyer wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:45 pm
Fishnut wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:17 pm
I doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a
£100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
I thought it was £200? But I could be wrong, certainly they required it with the application while other parties only ask for it when you've passed the interview stage and are accepted in principal as a candidate.
So I guess this means that the deal that Farage said wasn't Brexit last week is Brexit now?
(Bye the way, "Hello Everyone"!)
Multiple sources say £100.
James O'Brien asked a former Brexit Party candidate if he'd ask for his £100 back and someone who applied to be a candidate
wrote up their story and said it was £100. That person said that while the Conservatives charge £250 that's only after they've gone through a process to ensure you're not wasting everyone's time with your application.
You're right it was £100, I think I got it mixed up with the other parties, who as was pointed out at the time charge it once you're accepted in principal to cover background checks (presumably UKIP charge about 40p).
Still, by getting the first point in my first post wrong I've started as I mean to continue... (And of course it's "By the way"... I blame the awful soft keyboard on the Fire 10 HD).
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:58 pm
by nefibach
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:15 pm
by P.J. Denyer
nefibach wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:58 pm
And Farage isn't giving the money back:
Well there's an enormous surprise.....

Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:21 pm
by mikeh
P.J. Denyer wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:15 pm
nefibach wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:58 pm
And Farage isn't giving the money back:
Well there's an enormous surprise.....
I mean, there must be a mistake in the reporting of this, surely.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:58 pm
by nefibach
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:47 am
by shpalman
Fishnut wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:17 pm
I doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a
£100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
Tiny violins at the ready:
https://twitter.com/Wayne_BayIey/status ... 58690?s=19
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:40 am
by JQH
Oh dear
How sad
Never mind
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:53 am
by cvb
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:20 am
by TopBadger
Given the rebrand to Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats I thought I'd look up her voting record.
As far as I can tell she's a Yellow Tory, there seems to be very little 'Social Democrat' values left in the LD's.
Makes my vote easier to call - I'll be voting Labour.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:38 am
by El Pollo Diablo
She was a minister when she voted in much of that. Best to look at the manifesto.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:41 am
by Ben B
Yeah, not sure it's completely fair to judge the voting record from the coalition - dreadful though that episode was.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:22 am
by Gfamily
TopBadger wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:20 am
Given the rebrand to Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats I thought I'd look up her voting record.
As far as I can tell she's a Yellow Tory, there seems to be very little 'Social Democrat' values left in the LD's.
Makes my vote easier to call - I'll be voting Labour.
Fortunately, our constituency is a Lab held marginal (narrowly won in 2017), so despite Labour's crap leader and his entourage, and despite the LD candidate being very able, it's going to have to be a Lab vote.
I just have to trust that if they win they hold to their 'confirmatory vote' policy.
I know at least some pro remain LD supporters are looking to support their candidate in a neighbouring constituency.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:30 pm
by Fishnut
I say this as a LibDem member but I really wish the
LibDems would stop attacking Labour. We need to be looking to build coalitions with the left, not alienate them. The fact that Sam Gyimah was happy to attack Labour councillors in a Conservative-dominated local authority but refused to attack the Conservative councillors for their role in the Grenfell fire speaks volumes. I've been very nervous about the influx of former Conservative MPs to the party and this only heightens my concerns.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:36 pm
by Gfamily
Fishnut wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:30 pm
I say this as a LibDem member but I really wish the
LibDems would stop attacking Labour. We need to be looking to build coalitions with the left, not alienate them. The fact that Sam Gyimah was happy to attack Labour councillors in a Conservative-dominated local authority but refused to attack the Conservative councillors for their role in the Grenfell fire speaks volumes. I've been very nervous about the influx of former Conservative MPs to the party and this only heightens my concerns.
A lot of our proEU group are writing to both Corbyn and Swinson calling for them to stop being negative about the other and their party, and pointing out that the only really important issue in this GE is to prevent a Conservative Brexit that will bugger up the country for a generation.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:56 pm
by jimr1603
Fishnut wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:30 pm
I say this as a LibDem member but I really wish the
LibDems would stop attacking Labour. We need to be looking to build coalitions with the left, not alienate them. The fact that Sam Gyimah was happy to attack Labour councillors in a Conservative-dominated local authority but refused to attack the Conservative councillors for their role in the Grenfell fire speaks volumes. I've been very nervous about the influx of former Conservative MPs to the party and this only heightens my concerns.
From the outside it looks like they're saying that they're far happier supporting the Tories than Labour under Corbyn.
Even if they're just being precautious after getting seriously burned last coalition, with the stuff around a 'caretaker' Govt. they were implicitly saying that they would rather see BoJo as PM than Corbyn.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:01 pm
by Little waster
El Pollo Diablo wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:38 am
She was a minister when she voted in much of that. Best to look at the manifesto.
But AFAIK she has never given much of a mea culpa blaming collective responsibility, her public statements have always been along the lines of "
the things I did in coalition I did because I believed in them".
As I say AFAIK.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:14 pm
by P.J. Denyer
Rod Liddle drags the Spectator to an all time low
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/if- ... ds-voting/
Drug your children if you think they might disagree with you on the future of the world they will inherit.
Re: General Election 2019
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:29 pm
by JQH
Paywalled.
And I'm not paying to read anything by Liddle. I think I can guess what he's saying tbh.