Scrutable

The Church of England has stated that sex belongs only within heterosexual marriage, and that sex in gay or straight civil partnerships “falls short of God’s purpose for human beings”.

Bishops have issued pastoral guidance in response to the recent introduction to mixed-sex civil partnerships, which says: “For Christians, marriage – that is, the lifelong union between a man and a woman, contracted with the making of vows – remains the proper context for sexual activity.”

The church “seeks to uphold that standard” in its approach to civil partnerships, and “to affirm the value of committed, sexually abstinent friendships” within such partnerships.

Tessa K wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:04 pm And hello to all my fellow deviants.

Bird on a Fire wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:38 pm I was, but I'm married now.

It was a civil ceremony, but to a member of the opposite sex, so I'm not sure how that group of strangers views my sex life.

“Civil partnership is not the same as marriage, which is founded on the taking of solemn public vows ..."

C of E clergy “should not provide services of blessing for those who register a civil partnership”.

GeenDienst wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:00 am
But typically of CoE, the wording there gets rather disappointed with all these not-hetero-church-marriaged shenanigans, but can't quite manage to conjure up any fire and brimstone.

Little waster wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:26 am

GeenDienst wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:00 am
But typically of CoE, the wording there gets rather disappointed with all these not-hetero-church-marriaged shenanigans, but can't quite manage to conjure up any fire and brimstone.

Wedding Cake or Death!

For Christians, marriage – that is, the lifelong union between a man and a woman, contracted with the making of vows – remains the proper context for sexual activity.

GeenDienst wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:37 am

For Christians, marriage – that is, the lifelong union between a man and a woman, contracted with the making of vows – remains the proper context for sexual activity.

And the rest of us have bus shelters.

GeenDienst wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:00 am I don't get this bit...

“Civil partnership is not the same as marriage, which is founded on the taking of solemn public vows ..."

I'm sure someone here has conjoined in matrimony via a civil partnership. Did you not utter "solemn vows" in the presence of one or more witnesses?

GeenDienst wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:00 am I don't get this bit...

“Civil partnership is not the same as marriage, which is founded on the taking of solemn public vows ..."

I'm sure someone here has conjoined in matrimony via a civil partnership. Did you not utter "solemn vows" in the presence of one or more witnesses?

JQH wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:43 pm Anybody who saw that two part documentary about Bishop Ball would realise that the CofE has forfitted the right to pontificate on sexual matters.

Boustrophedon wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:22 pm Justin Welby is an evangelical low church product of the alpha course which in itself has roots back in evangelical US theology.

Boustrophedon wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:22 pm Well deviant.

Justin Welby is an evangelical low church product of the alpha course which in itself has roots back in evangelical US theology. I have experienced talks/sermons/seminars by leading exponents of this type of theology and they just don't like sex. Well those that do tend not to go on about it.

They don't like sex because sex motivates people strongly and that detracts away from the power, the misogyny and the patriarchy of the church.

It's not just sex outside of church sanctioned marriage they don't like, It is anything that is not strictly penis in vagina of someone you are married to. That's it: No m.st.rbation, no oral and definitely no anal, because these body parts are not designed by god for those things. I kid you not*.

Unless you have experienced the sh.t that I have witnessed, like the hour and a half sermon from a sexually uptight vicar and leading CofE theologian with many glossy paperbacks to his name, who had a strange fixation with the masturbatory uses of candlesticks, then you have no idea just how screwed up some of these people are.

Watch the IICSA videos on Youtube or read the summary reports on their investigations into the Anglican church, then try to tell me they have any moral authority on sex.

*Actually they are not to keen on contraception either.

lpm wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:18 pm My view is the Catholic Church should shut the f.ck up about sexual matters for the next 1,200 years and use the time to reflect on the full horror of its crimes and how its imaginary sky deity would feel about enabling the rape of children.

But the Church of England only needs to shut the f.ck up for 850 years.

I'm happy to return to their comments in 2870.

dyqik wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:38 pm

GeenDienst wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:00 am I don't get this bit...

“Civil partnership is not the same as marriage, which is founded on the taking of solemn public vows ..."

I'm sure someone here has conjoined in matrimony via a civil partnership. Did you not utter "solemn vows" in the presence of one or more witnesses?

Yes, and with a government official rather than some random guy* employed by a private organization that doesn't like to admit that it's beholden to any government rules or regulations.