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Should prisons be abolished?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:13 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Interesting article in New Internationlist - a debate between two articulate, apparently reasonable people who agree on 95% of the issue, but disagree on the absolutes.
https://newint.org/features/2020/02/10/ ... -abolished
Re: Should prisons be abolished?
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:56 am
by Herainestold
Where will we put Boris then, when all this is over?
Re: Should prisons be abolished?
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:36 am
by Bird on a Fire
Herainestold wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:56 am
Where will we put Boris then, when all this is over?
Probably in the House of f.cking Lords.
Re: Should prisons be abolished?
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:35 am
by dyqik
Bird on a Fire wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:36 am
Herainestold wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:56 am
Where will we put Boris then, when all this is over?
Probably in the House of f.cking Lords.
Which should be moved to Dartmoor, ASAP to give it a less London and home counties centric outlook.
I think there's already a large government owned building there it could use.
Re: Should prisons be abolished?
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:44 am
by Martin_B
dyqik wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:35 am
Bird on a Fire wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:36 am
Herainestold wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:56 am
Where will we put Boris then, when all this is over?
Probably in the House of f.cking Lords.
Which should be moved to Dartmoor, ASAP to give it a less London and home counties centric outlook.
I think there's already a large government owned building there it could use.
Owned by one of the
inmates members of the House of Lords, I believe
Re: Should prisons be abolished?
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:56 am
by bmforre
Martin_B wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:44 am
dyqik wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:35 am
Bird on a Fire wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:36 am
Probably in the House of f.cking Lords.
Which should be moved to Dartmoor, ASAP to give it a less London and home counties centric outlook.
I think there's already a large government owned building there it could use.
Owned by one of the
inmates members of the House of Lords, I believe
Might here be a conflict of interest?
Re: Should prisons be abolished?
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:05 am
by TopBadger
bmforre wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:56 am
Martin_B wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:44 am
dyqik wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:35 am
Which should be moved to Dartmoor, ASAP to give it a less London and home counties centric outlook.
I think there's already a large government owned building there it could use.
Owned by one of the
inmates members of the House of Lords, I believe
Might here be a conflict of interest?
Just needs an entry on the register - no big deal.
Re: Should prisons be abolished?
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:13 am
by Woodchopper
An odd discussion.
Andrew's key points appear to be:
There are undeniably people who do commit serious and violent crimes, who cannot be safely managed in the community. We may be able to radically reduce our prison population, but there are sadly some individuals who will still be incarcerated for what they have done and what they may do to others.
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There are certain serious violent harms by some individuals however – including murder and sexual violence – where the incapacitating function of incarceration will trump other considerations. This is not to ignore the failure of prisons to safely address serious harm, but to see incarceration as a necessary evil in some circumstances. Efforts should then be directed to reducing the use of imprisonment, which should be viewed as a ‘last resort’.
However, Kelsey seems to sidestep those points and instead offers some other valid criticisms.