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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by nezumi » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:35 am

Martin Y wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:28 pm
Little waster wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:08 pm
Martin Y wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:59 pm

Someone once claimed there's never been a famine in a functioning democracy. Contentious, but it at least makes you appreciate that stupid is relative.
Give Brexit a few more weeks ...



Though perhaps "functioning" is the key here. ;)
"Functioning" is the "no true Scotsman" of famines. If you see any sign that our government isn't functioning then it's time to panic.

Oh. f.ck.
I would argue that the time to panic with this lot, is when they are functioning.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by headshot » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:18 pm

Daniel Lambert (the wine merchant who did a big thread about the problems of importing in the new regime) has posted an update:

https://twitter.com/daniellambert29/sta ... 10752?s=21

TL;DR: It’s still a nightmare, but he’s worked out how to do it. Prices are going to go up. The Govt aren’t listen, and are lying about engaging with the industry. July will make things much worse.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Fishnut » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:38 am

Martin Y wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:28 pm
Little waster wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:08 pm
Martin Y wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:59 pm

Someone once claimed there's never been a famine in a functioning democracy. Contentious, but it at least makes you appreciate that stupid is relative.
Give Brexit a few more weeks ...



Though perhaps "functioning" is the key here. ;)
"Functioning" is the "no true Scotsman" of famines. If you see any sign that our government isn't functioning then it's time to panic.

Oh. f.ck.
The Economist has put out their Democracy Index* and it's not great. The UK has managed to hold on as a full democracy but France, Portugal and the USA (among many others) are now considered 'flawed democracies'. I've not looked at their methodology yet so it may well be flawed but it still looks like a worthwhile, if thoroughly depressing read.

* Annoyingly you've got to register and then they send you an email link. If you want the report without the palaver send me a DM and I'll sort you a copy.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Martin Y » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:50 am

Many thanks, Fishnut. That does look interesting.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Woodchopper » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:24 pm

Fishnut wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:38 am
Martin Y wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:28 pm
Little waster wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:08 pm


Give Brexit a few more weeks ...



Though perhaps "functioning" is the key here. ;)
"Functioning" is the "no true Scotsman" of famines. If you see any sign that our government isn't functioning then it's time to panic.

Oh. f.ck.
The Economist has put out their Democracy Index* and it's not great. The UK has managed to hold on as a full democracy but France, Portugal and the USA (among many others) are now considered 'flawed democracies'. I've not looked at their methodology yet so it may well be flawed but it still looks like a worthwhile, if thoroughly depressing read.

* Annoyingly you've got to register and then they send you an email link. If you want the report without the palaver send me a DM and I'll sort you a copy.
If you're into that sort of thing then V-Dem may be of interest: https://www.v-dem.net/en/analysis/MapGraph/

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Bewildered » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:56 pm

Fishnut wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:38 am
Martin Y wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:28 pm
Little waster wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:08 pm


Give Brexit a few more weeks ...



Though perhaps "functioning" is the key here. ;)
"Functioning" is the "no true Scotsman" of famines. If you see any sign that our government isn't functioning then it's time to panic.

Oh. f.ck.
The Economist has put out their Democracy Index* and it's not great. The UK has managed to hold on as a full democracy but France, Portugal and the USA (among many others) are now considered 'flawed democracies'. I've not looked at their methodology yet so it may well be flawed but it still looks like a worthwhile, if thoroughly depressing read.

* Annoyingly you've got to register and then they send you an email link. If you want the report without the palaver send me a DM and I'll sort you a copy.
I don’t think those being flawed democracies by that index is new https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
Well maybe Portugal and France weren’t last year but they were before that.

Also the change in score over time is not very large, it’s just that they are all very close to the border (8) between flawed democracy and full democracy.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Herainestold » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:35 pm

Bewildered wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:56 pm

I don’t think those being flawed democracies by that index is new https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
Well maybe Portugal and France weren’t last year but they were before that.

Also the change in score over time is not very large, it’s just that they are all very close to the border (8) between flawed democracy and full democracy.
People are disappointed that the UK wasn't listed as a flawed democracy. Its not Britain that is flawed it is democracy. At least as it is now practised.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:17 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... 0000-trees
Orders for almost 100,000 trees have been cancelled by Northern Ireland buyers because of a post-Brexit ban on the plants being moved from Britain, the Guardian can reveal.
The problem arises from three new rules applying to Northern Ireland, which is observing EU customs and regulatory rules on plants and animals as part of the Northern Ireland protocol.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Fishnut » Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:25 pm

Pretty much every nursery and seed/plant seller I virtually window-shop in has banners saying they can't sell to customers outside the mainland UK because of Brexit. Those that don't have notes in their "delivery" page. I recently found the most amazing primrose and auricula nursery and, of course, I can't get anything because they're based in France. Everyone "hopes this situation will resolve quickly" but I think they're realising - as are customers - that this isn't going to go away unless we change the trade deal.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by veravista » Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:35 pm

Just wait until we want (well not me) start horse racing again. Moving prize race horses between France, Ireland and the UK without quarantine. Expensive.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Fishnut » Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:42 pm

Can you imagine the earful Her Maj will give Boris when that all kicks off
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by warumich » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:02 am

My toaster is back!!
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Little waster » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:12 am

warumich wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:02 am
My toaster is back!!
See Remoaners, if Warumich can freely ship a toaster backwards and forwards across the North Sea in a little under a month and after only filling in a handful of forms ... and making some phonecalls ... and being told it probably won't get here till March ... then I can see no reason why all other forms of trade won't equally frictionlessly flow across the face of the whale road.

That ... and we got blue passports too!

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by FlammableFlower » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:43 am

warumich wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:02 am
My toaster is back!!
Did it have a nice time?

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by dyqik » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:56 pm

FlammableFlower wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:43 am
warumich wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:02 am
My toaster is back!!
Did it have a nice time?
If it was in the US, the Postal Service might get the postcard to the Royal Mail in time for the 2024 election.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by warumich » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:33 pm

FlammableFlower wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:43 am
warumich wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:02 am
My toaster is back!!
Did it have a nice time?
I don't know but it "bings" very happily now, so I'd like to think so, yes.


Damn, my toaster is getting more fun trips abroad than me these days
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Little waster » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:40 pm

warumich wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:33 pm
FlammableFlower wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:43 am
warumich wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:02 am
My toaster is back!!
Did it have a nice time?
I don't know but it "bings" very happily now, so I'd like to think so, yes.


Damn, my toaster is getting more fun trips abroad than me these days
You could always do a Reverse Battlestar Galactica and disguise yourself as a toaster.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by veravista » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:57 pm

And even better news, BT Sourced (their procurement arm, budget £13bn ish), has announced 70 new jobs. In Dublin.

That's in the UK isn't it?

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by bmforre » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:32 pm

warumich wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:33 pm
Damn, my toaster is getting more fun trips abroad than me these days
Is your avatar trying to get an invitation from squeak?
Possibly taking your toaster along?

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by plodder » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:27 am

Fishnut wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:42 pm
Can you imagine the earful Her Maj will give Boris when that all kicks off
lol, wonder if her grant will go up to compensate?

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Little waster » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:27 am

plodder wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:27 am
Fishnut wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:42 pm
Can you imagine the earful Her Maj will give Boris when that all kicks off
lol, wonder if her grant will go up to compensate?
Presumably she qualifies for Greek or Danish citizenship through marriage.

If “2021 - a Hands, Face, Space Odyssey” lives up to the original “2020” then there will be a mid-season plot twist where she renounces her British citizenship (sic) and moves to Berlin where she ends up living next door to the Farages in some sort of hilarious 70s sitcom scenario.

Meanwhile through an unlikely chain of events Donald Trump is crowned King as part of an ill-advised “King Ralph” reboot.

The Daily Express gives these developments 5 stars describing them as “Willofthepeopletastic!” running the review alongside a fundraising campaign to literally keep the last UK fishing boat afloat, fronted by Laurence Fox, Nick Griffin ... and Katy Hill, for unclear reasons.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by dyqik » Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:09 pm

Little waster wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:27 am
plodder wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:27 am
Fishnut wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:42 pm
Can you imagine the earful Her Maj will give Boris when that all kicks off
lol, wonder if her grant will go up to compensate?
Presumably she qualifies for Greek or Danish citizenship through marriage.

If “2021 - a Hands, Face, Space Odyssey” lives up to the original “2020” then there will be a mid-season plot twist where she renounces her British citizenship (sic) and moves to Berlin where she ends up living next door to the Farages in some sort of hilarious 70s sitcom scenario.
I imagine that Nigel will set up an urban farm to supply all his food needs without having to depend on the EU, but will end up depending heavily on the kindness of Brenda and Phil next door.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by sTeamTraen » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:57 pm

veravista wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:35 pm
Just wait until we want (well not me) start horse racing again. Moving prize race horses between France, Ireland and the UK without quarantine. Expensive.
Didn't that work before the single market? I seem to recall there were all kinds of special rules in place for racehorses, possibly even before the UK joined the EEC.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by veravista » Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:27 am

Lots of things worked before we joined, doesn't mean it will from now on. That's the point really.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:49 am

It's like saying that jumping out of a plane without a parachute will be fine because people on the ground are safe.
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