I would argue that the time to panic with this lot, is when they are functioning.Martin Y wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:28 pm"Functioning" is the "no true Scotsman" of famines. If you see any sign that our government isn't functioning then it's time to panic.Little waster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:08 pmGive Brexit a few more weeks ...
Though perhaps "functioning" is the key here.
Oh. f.ck.
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Non fui. Fui. Non sum. Non curo.
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Daniel Lambert (the wine merchant who did a big thread about the problems of importing in the new regime) has posted an update:
https://twitter.com/daniellambert29/sta ... 10752?s=21
TL;DR: It’s still a nightmare, but he’s worked out how to do it. Prices are going to go up. The Govt aren’t listen, and are lying about engaging with the industry. July will make things much worse.
https://twitter.com/daniellambert29/sta ... 10752?s=21
TL;DR: It’s still a nightmare, but he’s worked out how to do it. Prices are going to go up. The Govt aren’t listen, and are lying about engaging with the industry. July will make things much worse.
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The Economist has put out their Democracy Index* and it's not great. The UK has managed to hold on as a full democracy but France, Portugal and the USA (among many others) are now considered 'flawed democracies'. I've not looked at their methodology yet so it may well be flawed but it still looks like a worthwhile, if thoroughly depressing read.Martin Y wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:28 pm"Functioning" is the "no true Scotsman" of famines. If you see any sign that our government isn't functioning then it's time to panic.Little waster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:08 pmGive Brexit a few more weeks ...
Though perhaps "functioning" is the key here.
Oh. f.ck.
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Many thanks, Fishnut. That does look interesting.
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If you're into that sort of thing then V-Dem may be of interest: https://www.v-dem.net/en/analysis/MapGraph/Fishnut wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:38 amThe Economist has put out their Democracy Index* and it's not great. The UK has managed to hold on as a full democracy but France, Portugal and the USA (among many others) are now considered 'flawed democracies'. I've not looked at their methodology yet so it may well be flawed but it still looks like a worthwhile, if thoroughly depressing read.Martin Y wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:28 pm"Functioning" is the "no true Scotsman" of famines. If you see any sign that our government isn't functioning then it's time to panic.Little waster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:08 pm
Give Brexit a few more weeks ...
Though perhaps "functioning" is the key here.
Oh. f.ck.
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I don’t think those being flawed democracies by that index is new https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_IndexFishnut wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:38 amThe Economist has put out their Democracy Index* and it's not great. The UK has managed to hold on as a full democracy but France, Portugal and the USA (among many others) are now considered 'flawed democracies'. I've not looked at their methodology yet so it may well be flawed but it still looks like a worthwhile, if thoroughly depressing read.Martin Y wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:28 pm"Functioning" is the "no true Scotsman" of famines. If you see any sign that our government isn't functioning then it's time to panic.Little waster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:08 pm
Give Brexit a few more weeks ...
Though perhaps "functioning" is the key here.
Oh. f.ck.
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Well maybe Portugal and France weren’t last year but they were before that.
Also the change in score over time is not very large, it’s just that they are all very close to the border (8) between flawed democracy and full democracy.
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People are disappointed that the UK wasn't listed as a flawed democracy. Its not Britain that is flawed it is democracy. At least as it is now practised.Bewildered wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:56 pm
I don’t think those being flawed democracies by that index is new https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
Well maybe Portugal and France weren’t last year but they were before that.
Also the change in score over time is not very large, it’s just that they are all very close to the border (8) between flawed democracy and full democracy.
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Putin is a monster.
Russian socialism will rise again
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... 0000-trees
Orders for almost 100,000 trees have been cancelled by Northern Ireland buyers because of a post-Brexit ban on the plants being moved from Britain, the Guardian can reveal.
The problem arises from three new rules applying to Northern Ireland, which is observing EU customs and regulatory rules on plants and animals as part of the Northern Ireland protocol.
having that swing is a necessary but not sufficient condition for it meaning a thing
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Pretty much every nursery and seed/plant seller I virtually window-shop in has banners saying they can't sell to customers outside the mainland UK because of Brexit. Those that don't have notes in their "delivery" page. I recently found the most amazing primrose and auricula nursery and, of course, I can't get anything because they're based in France. Everyone "hopes this situation will resolve quickly" but I think they're realising - as are customers - that this isn't going to go away unless we change the trade deal.
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Just wait until we want (well not me) start horse racing again. Moving prize race horses between France, Ireland and the UK without quarantine. Expensive.
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Can you imagine the earful Her Maj will give Boris when that all kicks off
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My toaster is back!!
I've never had a signature, and it never did me any harm
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See Remoaners, if Warumich can freely ship a toaster backwards and forwards across the North Sea in a little under a month and after only filling in a handful of forms ... and making some phonecalls ... and being told it probably won't get here till March ... then I can see no reason why all other forms of trade won't equally frictionlessly flow across the face of the whale road.
That ... and we got blue passports too!
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If it was in the US, the Postal Service might get the postcard to the Royal Mail in time for the 2024 election.
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I don't know but it "bings" very happily now, so I'd like to think so, yes.
Damn, my toaster is getting more fun trips abroad than me these days
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You could always do a Reverse Battlestar Galactica and disguise yourself as a toaster.warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:33 pmI don't know but it "bings" very happily now, so I'd like to think so, yes.
Damn, my toaster is getting more fun trips abroad than me these days
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And even better news, BT Sourced (their procurement arm, budget £13bn ish), has announced 70 new jobs. In Dublin.
That's in the UK isn't it?
That's in the UK isn't it?
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Presumably she qualifies for Greek or Danish citizenship through marriage.
If “2021 - a Hands, Face, Space Odyssey” lives up to the original “2020” then there will be a mid-season plot twist where she renounces her British citizenship (sic) and moves to Berlin where she ends up living next door to the Farages in some sort of hilarious 70s sitcom scenario.
Meanwhile through an unlikely chain of events Donald Trump is crowned King as part of an ill-advised “King Ralph” reboot.
The Daily Express gives these developments 5 stars describing them as “Willofthepeopletastic!” running the review alongside a fundraising campaign to literally keep the last UK fishing boat afloat, fronted by Laurence Fox, Nick Griffin ... and Katy Hill, for unclear reasons.
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I imagine that Nigel will set up an urban farm to supply all his food needs without having to depend on the EU, but will end up depending heavily on the kindness of Brenda and Phil next door.Little waster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:27 amPresumably she qualifies for Greek or Danish citizenship through marriage.
If “2021 - a Hands, Face, Space Odyssey” lives up to the original “2020” then there will be a mid-season plot twist where she renounces her British citizenship (sic) and moves to Berlin where she ends up living next door to the Farages in some sort of hilarious 70s sitcom scenario.
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Didn't that work before the single market? I seem to recall there were all kinds of special rules in place for racehorses, possibly even before the UK joined the EEC.
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Lots of things worked before we joined, doesn't mean it will from now on. That's the point really.
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It's like saying that jumping out of a plane without a parachute will be fine because people on the ground are safe.
having that swing is a necessary but not sufficient condition for it meaning a thing
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