The Invasion of Ukraine

[Grumble]

A call for genocide in Russian state media.

Disturbing.

The Russian leadership currently has a choice between using its available forces to try to obtain a limited objective in Ukraine (eg seizing more of the Donbas and they would hope to get sovereignty confirmed with a peace agreement) or national mobilization of the population for war and a redoubled effort to take over Kyiv and most of Ukraine.

That article points toward the latter option.

If they are openly calling for genocide then that changes the game and we’re a step closer to WW3

[jimbob]

A call for genocide in Russian state media.

Disturbing.

The Russian leadership currently has a choice between using its available forces to try to obtain a limited objective in Ukraine (eg seizing more of the Donbas and they would hope to get sovereignty confirmed with a peace agreement) or national mobilization of the population for war and a redoubled effort to take over Kyiv and most of Ukraine.

That article points toward the latter option.

If they are openly calling for genocide then that changes the game and we’re a step closer to WW3

Putin will keep pushing until he's stopped. And he has everything to lose as he knows his successor will ensure he could be no threat to them.

[Woodchopper]

A call for genocide in Russian state media.

Disturbing.

The Russian leadership currently has a choice between using its available forces to try to obtain a limited objective in Ukraine (eg seizing more of the Donbas and they would hope to get sovereignty confirmed with a peace agreement) or national mobilization of the population for war and a redoubled effort to take over Kyiv and most of Ukraine.

That article points toward the latter option.

If they are openly calling for genocide then that changes the game and we’re a step closer to WW3

Could be that the government is 'flying a kite' - ie raising the idea and seeing what the reaction inside Russia is.

It may not be policy yet.

[lpm]

Russia started its atrocities on day 1. Firing artillery at apartment blocks is just as much as crime as executing civilians.

It's infuriating people saying we should increase sanctions or arms supplies now, once more disturbing photographs are available, when we knew they were murdering civilians weeks ago.

[jimbob]

Russia started its atrocities on day 1. Firing artillery at apartment blocks is just as much as crime as executing civilians.

It's infuriating people saying we should increase sanctions or arms supplies now, once more disturbing photographs are available, when we knew they were murdering civilians weeks ago.

correct, except it was years ago

[lpm]

Ah but that wasn't white Europeans. Except white people from weird countries who are too foreign to count.

The level of sanctions/arms deliveries should always be driven by the level of hostility the west thinks it can get away with. Always maximise to the level just below the "Putin goes mad and orders a nuking" level.

The level of atrocities and western outrage should be irrelevant to decisions on how to arm Ukraine. Except where it can be used as a way to crank the ratchet up by pointing Putin towards the west's public opinion.

[Stranger Mouse]

It’s ok everyone. Jeremy Corbyn is on the case. I’m not sure why he thought the Morning Star was the best source to link to. https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... Kl2fn_AsZA

[Woodchopper]

It’s ok everyone. Jeremy Corbyn is on the case. I’m not sure why he thought the Morning Star was the best source to link to. https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... Kl2fn_AsZA

Wow. Within 280 characters he's managed to fail to hold Russia accountable for massacres committed by its troops while they were in control of the town, and he's called for an immediate ceasefire which would leave large parts of Ukraine under the control of Russian troops and presumably able to commit more massacres.

[Trinucleus]

It’s ok everyone. Jeremy Corbyn is on the case. I’m not sure why he thought the Morning Star was the best source to link to. https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... Kl2fn_AsZA

Wow. Within 280 characters he's managed to fail to hold Russia accountable for massacres committed by its troops while they were in control of the town, and he's called for an immediate ceasefire which would leave large parts of Ukraine under the control of Russian troops and presumably able to commit more massacres.

People in the replies show a quote from him that very clearly blames Russian aggression for the situation

[headshot]

It’s ok everyone. Jeremy Corbyn is on the case. I’m not sure why he thought the Morning Star was the best source to link to. https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... Kl2fn_AsZA

Wow. Within 280 characters he's managed to fail to hold Russia accountable for massacres committed by its troops while they were in control of the town, and he's called for an immediate ceasefire which would leave large parts of Ukraine under the control of Russian troops and presumably able to commit more massacres.

People in the replies show a quote from him that very clearly blames Russian aggression for the situation

Cool, so Jeremy is still so bad at comms that he needs other people to clarify his point by sub-posting quotes of other Tweets? Cool, cool, cool.

[Woodchopper]

It’s ok everyone. Jeremy Corbyn is on the case. I’m not sure why he thought the Morning Star was the best source to link to. https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... Kl2fn_AsZA

Wow. Within 280 characters he's managed to fail to hold Russia accountable for massacres committed by its troops while they were in control of the town, and he's called for an immediate ceasefire which would leave large parts of Ukraine under the control of Russian troops and presumably able to commit more massacres.

People in the replies show a quote from him that very clearly blames Russian aggression for the situation

Odd, I've been scrolling through the replies but can't see a quote referring to the massacres. But the algorithms probably work differently for different accounts.

[wilsontown]

Ah but that wasn't white Europeans. Except white people from weird countries who are too foreign to count.

The level of sanctions/arms deliveries should always be driven by the level of hostility the west thinks it can get away with. Always maximise to the level just below the "Putin goes mad and orders a nuking" level.

The level of atrocities and western outrage should be irrelevant to decisions on how to arm Ukraine. Except where it can be used as a way to crank the ratchet up by pointing Putin towards the west's public opinion.

I generally agree, but the consequences of misjudging the level at which "Putin goes mad and orders a nuking" are, to understate, really bad.

[EACLucifer]

Disturbing.

The Russian leadership currently has a choice between using its available forces to try to obtain a limited objective in Ukraine (eg seizing more of the Donbas and they would hope to get sovereignty confirmed with a peace agreement) or national mobilization of the population for war and a redoubled effort to take over Kyiv and most of Ukraine.

That article points toward the latter option.

If they are openly calling for genocide then that changes the game and we’re a step closer to WW3

Could be that the government is 'flying a kite' - ie raising the idea and seeing what the reaction inside Russia is.

It may not be policy yet.

I f.cking hope so, but there's no way we should ever re-normalise relations, not untin Putin's in the Hague or on a lamp post.


Here's the full article, by the way, can't vouch for accuracy of translation.

Original is linked from there, for those who have Russian.

[EACLucifer]

It’s ok everyone. Jeremy Corbyn is on the case. I’m not sure why he thought the Morning Star was the best source to link to. https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... Kl2fn_AsZA

The Morning Star was of course a massive cheerleader for Assadism, and celebrated the actions of that regime in Aleppo.

People associated with them, and STWC, PSC and similar groups should have no more place in mainstream politics than those into the right-wing flavours of tyrannophilia and bigotry.

[EACLucifer]

Ukraine's prosecutor general is saying things are actually worse in Borodianka than they were in Bucha.

[Woodchopper]

More reports of torture and arbitrary killing in occupied areas of the south of Ukraine: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in ... villagers/

Also the familiar reports of Russian troops demanding to know where the nazis are, and locals saying that there aren’t any.

[Woodchopper]

The Russian Embassy in Ireland is running out of fuel for heating and hot water and is complaining that numerous Irish oil companies have refused to deliver supplies.

It has forced the embassy to write a letter to Foreign Affairs Minister Simon Coveney’s department asking the Government to intervene before they run out.

In a letter seen by the Irish Mirror, the Russians – ironically one of the world’s biggest oil exporters before the Ukraine invasion – have requested Foreign Affairs “intervenes into this clearly discriminatory case”.

A source said: “The embassy is struggling because no one wants to do business with them as a result of what’s happening in Ukraine. It’s not only some oil companies they’re having issues with, it’s banks too and many more businesses.”

The Irish Mirror also understands that Bank of Ireland has decided to suspend their accounts with the Russian Embassy in Ireland, according to senior sources.

When contacted, a spokesman for Bank of Ireland said the firm can’t comment on any individual account. It’s understood the embassy also had both its boiler contract and fuel card account ended by separate companies.

A second source said: “The Department of Foreign Affairs wouldn’t be stepping in to get anyone anything.”

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-n ... t-26635546

[Stranger Mouse]

More reports of torture and arbitrary killing in occupied areas of the south of Ukraine: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in ... villagers/

Also the familiar reports of Russian troops demanding to know where the nazis are, and locals saying that there aren’t any.

But strangely they seem informed in other ways

They seemed to already know that she was the Lotskyne village head, a position similar to that of a mayor but without any legislative power. Another woman, Natalia, said she also got the impression that the soldiers generally knew who everyone in town was and where they lived.

[kerrya1]

An interesting example of Ukrainian civilians fighting back with any means at their disposal.

Two Russian soldiers killed and 28 seriously ill ‘after being given poisoned food by Ukrainian civilians’

Unfortunately I can see the Russians trying to use things like this to justify their massacres of civilians.

[jimbob]

An interesting example of Ukrainian civilians fighting back with any means at their disposal.

Two Russian soldiers killed and 28 seriously ill ‘after being given poisoned food by Ukrainian civilians’

Unfortunately I can see the Russians trying to use things like this to justify their massacres of civilians.

They are already. long thread

https://twitter.com/DmytroGurinMP/statu ... IW7zPojo3g


https://twitter.com/DmytroGurinMP/statu ... IW7zPojo3g

[lpm]

Helicopter blowing up p.rn.

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/15 ... 0862789635

[EACLucifer]

Helicopter blowing up p.rn.

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/15 ... 0862789635

That's a bl..dy impressive bit of shooting, taking down a helicopter with a command-guided missile like a Stuhna-P, and the target appears to be a Ka-50 or 52 - Russia's newest and most modern attack helicopter.

ETA: It has been pointed out elsewhere that it is particularly impressive as the operator kept the laser designator off the target until the last moment, meaning the target's sensors designed to warn of such attacks wouldn't trigger.

[EACLucifer]

Big concern for the next for days will be Russian attempts to attack the salient around Slovyansk before Ukrainian forces freed up from Kyiv/Chernihiv/Sumy reach the eastern theatre.

[Stranger Mouse]

Have the Putin regime telegraphed the discovery of their war crimes in Sumy?

https://twitter.com/jimmysecuk/status/1 ... pGyXgMmiXg

[EACLucifer]

There's rumours going round that a Russian helicopter - reportedly a modern Ka-52 (as seen getting schwacked by an anti-tank missile upthread) - has defected.