After Corbyn
Re: After Corbyn
break a few windows, pay a few people to fix em, economics is easy innit.
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But we've got a £32billion divorce bill to pay first
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It was Boris that said it wasn't going to happen
My avatar was a scientific result that was later found to be 'mistaken' - I rarely claim to be 100% correct
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
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Boris has put a much larger increase than 350 million a week in the Queen's speech
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So you're banking on Boris's promises?
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The point is that as soon as the referendum was won, he made it clear that the £350m was not going to be going to the NHS.
His intention was that it would not happen - so he made it a lie.
He may have resiled on that since, but it was a lie.
My avatar was a scientific result that was later found to be 'mistaken' - I rarely claim to be 100% correct
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
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Hang on, there's hardly any talk about who should lead the Labour Party and loads of bitching about Brexit and Johnson.
I'm not sure this properly reflects the labour leadership election, which now runs until April for some reason.
I'm not sure this properly reflects the labour leadership election, which now runs until April for some reason.
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Angela Rayner has gone full on angry northerner.
AND BLT has said
AND BLT has said
But she has no clue what should replace free movement.I think we need to have a fair immigration system, but we can’t nod towards quite dangerous politics ... And I understand the reasons why that was done in the election campaign. There are concerns... We do need as a party to make a stronger argument, because I don’t think we’ve every set out the economic case as to why immigration is a positive force.
Just tell 'em I'm broke and don't come round here no more.
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Turns out it wasn't after all. Isn't life funny ?
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I want to see someone who adopts my “party of small businesses” strategy. It seems an obvious political winner to me.
- 6 million SMEs in UK (Small & Medium Enterprise, < 50 employees)
- 17 million people work for a SME
- Everyone thinks they hate big business and bankers: exploiting workers, not paying tax, CEOs with huge pay, bankruptcy scandals etc etc
- Everyone pretends to like local small business, thinking it’s good to buy local and British and from the little high street shop (even if they actually buy at Tescos and Amazon)
Labour has to present itself as being a safe choice on the economy and good for businesses and prosperity, yet simultaneously attack the Conservatives as being controlled by billionaires and tax dodgers.
Become the party of small businesses and you win votes from “white van man” - the patriotic, Brexity type voters who work hard and don’t like scroungers. You are on the side of the underdog, always popular in England, against the wealthy elites. An economy for the many businesses, not the few global exploitative big businesses.
And it works really well with local constituency campaigning in the northern areas they need to win back - Labour candidates can spend the next 4 years championing the small businesses in their areas. Campaign for a local shop losing out to Amazon or a little construction company hurt by govt spending cuts or a small exporter struggling due to the red tape created by Johnson’s policies. Constantly boast about how much PAYE, tax, rates and VAT these companies pay, unlike the companies that own the Conservative Party.
- 6 million SMEs in UK (Small & Medium Enterprise, < 50 employees)
- 17 million people work for a SME
- Everyone thinks they hate big business and bankers: exploiting workers, not paying tax, CEOs with huge pay, bankruptcy scandals etc etc
- Everyone pretends to like local small business, thinking it’s good to buy local and British and from the little high street shop (even if they actually buy at Tescos and Amazon)
Labour has to present itself as being a safe choice on the economy and good for businesses and prosperity, yet simultaneously attack the Conservatives as being controlled by billionaires and tax dodgers.
Become the party of small businesses and you win votes from “white van man” - the patriotic, Brexity type voters who work hard and don’t like scroungers. You are on the side of the underdog, always popular in England, against the wealthy elites. An economy for the many businesses, not the few global exploitative big businesses.
And it works really well with local constituency campaigning in the northern areas they need to win back - Labour candidates can spend the next 4 years championing the small businesses in their areas. Campaign for a local shop losing out to Amazon or a little construction company hurt by govt spending cuts or a small exporter struggling due to the red tape created by Johnson’s policies. Constantly boast about how much PAYE, tax, rates and VAT these companies pay, unlike the companies that own the Conservative Party.
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What, the New Labour strategy? I'm sending you for reeducation.
Small businesses make profit, lpm. Profit is immoral and disgusting.
Small businesses make profit, lpm. Profit is immoral and disgusting.
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This is correct, but unfortunately is what rules out Thornberry.lpm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:08 amBecome the party of small businesses and you win votes from “white van man” - the patriotic, Brexity type voters who work hard and don’t like scroungers. You are on the side of the underdog, always popular in England, against the wealthy elites. An economy for the many businesses, not the few global exploitative big businesses.
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Yes, it does. WTF was she thinking of?El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:38 amThis is correct, but unfortunately is what rules out Thornberry.lpm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:08 amBecome the party of small businesses and you win votes from “white van man” - the patriotic, Brexity type voters who work hard and don’t like scroungers. You are on the side of the underdog, always popular in England, against the wealthy elites. An economy for the many businesses, not the few global exploitative big businesses.
Just tell 'em I'm broke and don't come round here no more.
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It's not that unfortunate, she'd make a dreadful leader.El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:38 amThis is correct, but unfortunately is what rules out Thornberry.lpm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:08 amBecome the party of small businesses and you win votes from “white van man” - the patriotic, Brexity type voters who work hard and don’t like scroungers. You are on the side of the underdog, always popular in England, against the wealthy elites. An economy for the many businesses, not the few global exploitative big businesses.
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The fact he had to change his mind doesn't stop it from having been a lie.sheldrake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:01 amTurns out it wasn't after all. Isn't life funny ?
£350m going to the EU each week was (of course) another part of the lie.
My avatar was a scientific result that was later found to be 'mistaken' - I rarely claim to be 100% correct
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
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Not a lie. If we'd stayed in we'd have lost our rebate, and all the online arithmetic remainers used to deny this number are based on treated budget the EU spends in the UK as if it should be subtracted from the total when leavers think any budget not controlled by parliament should still count as EU contribution. It's a matter of interpretation, not a lie.
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What makes you think that we'd have lost the rebate?
My avatar was a scientific result that was later found to be 'mistaken' - I rarely claim to be 100% correct
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
Meta? I'd say so!
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Statements like this from EU officials https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-brit ... SKCN1MM1PV
The loss of rebate was agreed years before
cvb, you live in a fantasy world of ignorance you project onto others.
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Britain would have to agree to this. That's the difference.sheldrake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:58 pmStatements like this from EU officials https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-brit ... SKCN1MM1PV
The loss of rebate was agreed years before
cvb, you live in a fantasy world of ignorance you project onto others.
At least I am honest.
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From MFFHow is the MFF decided?
The Council has a central role in the MFF legislative process.
Before the ongoing MFF expires, the European Commission makes a proposal for a new MFF regulation.
This is used as a basis for negotiations within the Council, which will ensure that all member states are part of the agreement: unanimity is required to find a deal.
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is there a facility on this site where we get an alert when this is talking about Labour?
Just tell 'em I'm broke and don't come round here no more.
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The default is no rebate. Unanimity is required to pass a rebate. When you express doubt that the UK would've lost its rebate, you are arguing against the EU Commission itself. I think you are experiencing cognitive dissonance.cvb wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:54 pmFrom MFFHow is the MFF decided?
The Council has a central role in the MFF legislative process.
Before the ongoing MFF expires, the European Commission makes a proposal for a new MFF regulation.
This is used as a basis for negotiations within the Council, which will ensure that all member states are part of the agreement: unanimity is required to find a deal.