Yes, it was intended as such in my post.
There's a reason that one of the first responses to Tucker Carlson being fired by Fox News was a job offer from Russia Today.
Ok, so there is some evil collaboration on the fringes as well.dyqik wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:29 pmThe more extreme Republicans frequently praise Putin and Orban, and admire the socal cohesion they are trying to produce.bjn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:01 pmFrom a pure Machiavellian geopolitical perspective, foregoing the chance to take out a major rival at little or no risk to yourself is utterly nuts. It will also destabilise the region if Russia gains anything from this adventure. All for short term political gain. Add in the ethics of stopping a fascist taking over another country, it borders on evil collaboration.
And probably in the (still extremist) mainstream as well, but they're smart enough to keep quiet about it.bjn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 4:04 pmOk, so there is some evil collaboration on the fringes as well.dyqik wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:29 pmThe more extreme Republicans frequently praise Putin and Orban, and admire the socal cohesion they are trying to produce.bjn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:01 pmFrom a pure Machiavellian geopolitical perspective, foregoing the chance to take out a major rival at little or no risk to yourself is utterly nuts. It will also destabilise the region if Russia gains anything from this adventure. All for short term political gain. Add in the ethics of stopping a fascist taking over another country, it borders on evil collaboration.
There is that tendency. There is also old fashioned isolationism and a belief that Russia doesn't pose a realistic threat to the US and the US shouldn't be responsible for protecting states in other continents.dyqik wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:29 pmThe more extreme Republicans frequently praise Putin and Orban, and admire the socal cohesion they are trying to produce.bjn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:01 pmFrom a pure Machiavellian geopolitical perspective, foregoing the chance to take out a major rival at little or no risk to yourself is utterly nuts. It will also destabilise the region if Russia gains anything from this adventure. All for short term political gain. Add in the ethics of stopping a fascist taking over another country, it borders on evil collaboration.
I think the biggest factor is in fact Russian efforts to court Republicans, plying them with attention, affirmation, dodgy money, and women.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:36 amThere is that tendency. There is also old fashioned isolationism and a belief that Russia doesn't pose a realistic threat to the US and the US shouldn't be responsible for protecting states in other continents.dyqik wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:29 pmThe more extreme Republicans frequently praise Putin and Orban, and admire the socal cohesion they are trying to produce.bjn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:01 pmFrom a pure Machiavellian geopolitical perspective, foregoing the chance to take out a major rival at little or no risk to yourself is utterly nuts. It will also destabilise the region if Russia gains anything from this adventure. All for short term political gain. Add in the ethics of stopping a fascist taking over another country, it borders on evil collaboration.
Probably the biggest factor is just plain old partisanship. Republicans are against any policy associated with a Democrat president, no need for details.
Various false flag theories on that Twitter. But I doubt it. This is a symbolic humiliation for Russia and its leader (though of course there are ways for him to to exploit it).EACLucifer wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 12:35 pmLol the f.cking Kremlin got hit by a drone/loitering munition. Sadly it doesn't look like there was much damage, and Russian media are racing to clarify that the Khuylo wasn't harmed.
Apparently he doesn't usually sleep in the Kremlin anyway.Martin Y wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 2:54 pm"Symbolic" seems to cover it, assuming it actually was the Ukrainians. A small explosion, right over the top of the building but seemingly no damage caused at all. Pretty obviously not a serious attempt to assassinate Putin unless he's in the habit of climbing the flagpole at night.
And what it doing?Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 3:22 pmLooks like two drones: https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1653 ... 96288?s=20
Where was the famous air defence?
Did no one see what I did there?Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 3:23 pmLooks like the air defences have got even more rusty since then.
Oh I did.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:24 amDid no one see what I did there?Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 3:23 pmLooks like the air defences have got even more rusty since then.
I didn'tWoodchopper wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:24 amDid no one see what I did there?Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 3:23 pmLooks like the air defences have got even more rusty since then.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_RustJQH wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 2:31 pmI didn'tWoodchopper wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:24 amDid no one see what I did there?Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 3:23 pmLooks like the air defences have got even more rusty since then.
jimbob wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 2:34 pmhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust
“Bit of an oddball”While doing his obligatory community service (Zivildienst) in a West German hospital in 1989, Rust stabbed a female co-worker who had rejected him. The victim barely survived.
Their argument seems to rely to an extent on the beefing up of Moscow's air defences. While it is true that the drone would have flown within about seven hundred metres of a Pantsir, anyone who has been following this war closely enough to note the actual performance of Pantsirs would realise this doesn't mean much.FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:35 amISW think Kremlin drone more likely to be staged: https://understandingwar.org/background ... may-3-2023
Bit of an oddball, lot of a dickhead.Grumble wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:02 pm“Bit of an oddball”While doing his obligatory community service (Zivildienst) in a West German hospital in 1989, Rust stabbed a female co-worker who had rejected him. The victim barely survived.
Oliver AlexanderEACLucifer wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:16 pmTheir argument seems to rely to an extent on the beefing up of Moscow's air defences. While it is true that the drone would have flown within about seven hundred metres of a Pantsir, anyone who has been following this war closely enough to note the actual performance of Pantsirs would realise this doesn't mean much.FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:35 amISW think Kremlin drone more likely to be staged: https://understandingwar.org/background ... may-3-2023
What is clear is that it wasn't an assassination attempt, unles Putin likes to poledance on the Kremlin flagpole at two in the morning (apologies to whoever I stole that line off, I can't remember right now)