Minnesota ICE Shooting

[Stranger Mouse]

Horrible

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -crackdown

Kristi Noem lies through her teeth

https://x.com/samstein/status/2008966325389979813?s=61

Upsetting but non graphic video showing just how b.llsh.t the official claims are https://x.com/scarboroughnow/status/200 ... 32288?s=61

[Grumble]

You don’t need the link to Xitter for the video, it’s now in the Guardian article. I’m appalled but not surprised by this. Why aren’t the mayor and governor calling for the arrest of the ICE agent?

[TopBadger]

That is crazy... pretty clear she was steering to go inside of where he was stood and not hit him.

The ICE "officer" needs to go to jail for a long time...

[Martin Y]

(I avoided watching the video until I saw it was on the BBC News site today.) The thing which puzzles me is that the Trump side have been talking about an agent being "run over" and "lucky to survive" and of his being "in hospital".

Aside from the simplest explanation, that they're just flinging lies around, which person are they talking about? The shooter, for example, whom we don't see until the last moment, is still on his feet after the car moves away (despite the slippery ice underfoot). So it's hard to imagine it could be him who was "run over".

[IvanV]

We see a person being glanced by the side of the car, as it passes close to him, while turning to the right. That can be "run over" in Trumpspeak, so that is what I assumed it was about.

[IvanV]

Why aren’t the mayor and governor calling for the arrest of the ICE agent?

We've repeatedly seen footage of ICE carrying out very heavy-handed and disproportionate violent actions - often because Trumpists want to brag about it - and state law enforcement seems to be able to do little about it. So maybe the mayor and governor realise they'd be wasting their breath to call for ICE agent arrests under state law.

We were told that the car driver was instructed to get out of the car, but she drove off instead. Shooting people for running away seems fairly normal for law enforcement in the US, shocking as that seems to us.

It's hard enough prosecuting state police for shooting unarmed people in the US - even in Britain. And federal agents have additional immunities, to to the extent that they are acting in the course of their duties, and their actions are considered reasonable for acting within their duties. There have been cases of federal agents being prosecuted under state law for shooting people, when very obviously they shouldn't have done, but I think it is very rare.

The FBI say that they are looking into it. But with Trump place-men running the FBI, maybe they looking into it with a view to ensuring there are no consequences.

[Stranger Mouse]

Very very good forensic video breakdown by the New York Times. It looks like the shooter wasn’t clipped by the vehicle at all.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000 ... =url-share

[bjn]

Some utterly vile attacks on the murdered woman from a range of GOP types, including sitting members of congress.

[jimbob]

Some utterly vile attacks on the murdered woman from a range of GOP types, including sitting members of congress.

Yes

[Gfamily]

That the FBI are blocking the Minnesota authorities access to the evidence is suggestive that they don't have confidence that the case is as clear cut as they would like everyone to accept.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c7510l1135wt

[Martin Y]

An interesting insight from the dependable JayUtah over on ISF saying the rules for properly trained federal agents require them not to stand in front of a car like that precisely to avoid that kind of split second decision about whether the driver is going to drive at them. If the shooter had been properly trained he would have known he must not put himself in that position and that he can't use lethal force against the driver of a car for simply driving the car.

[TopBadger]

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2026/ ... tent=other

Pretty damning... wouldn't put it past Trump to pardon the shooter though.

[Fishnut]

There's a couple of fascinating (and quite harrowing) episodes of the Weird Little Guys podcast - one called Murder on Fourth Street and the next called A Brief History of Vehicular Violence that examines how cars have been used against protestors and how the authorities in the US have encouraged their use in this way.

I find myself thinking of these episodes a lot since the news of the shooting, because the people who are trying to make out that Renee Nicole Macklin Good was trying to kill ICE agents are the same people who would be celebrating if it was someone on 'their side' using a vehicle as a weapon. The fact she wasn't even trying to hurt anyone, quite the opposite, makes their faux lamentations even more difficult to endure.

[Stranger Mouse]

Some utterly vile attacks on the murdered woman from a range of GOP types, including sitting members of congress.

Yes

And Kyle Rittenhouse

[dyqik]

That the FBI are blocking the Minnesota authorities access to the evidence is suggestive that they don't have confidence that the case is as clear cut as they would like everyone to accept.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c7510l1135wt

Federal agents have been prosecuted under state laws many times. Courts do tend to give deference to attempts to remove the cases to Federal court when there is a reasonable presumption that they were acting lawfully, but they certainly do not give the absolute immunity that Vance is claiming all Federal agents have.

[dyqik]

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2026/ ... tent=other

Pretty damning... wouldn't put it past Trump to pardon the shooter though.

Can't pardon state charges, and if there's no prospect of a Federal trial, it may be harder to remove the state charges to Federal court.

[Chris Preston]

Trump's first instinct about anything that may paint him in a poor light is to lie about it. Much of his current cabinet has been doing the same thing. It is so entrenched that it is next to impossible to believe anything any of them says is even remotely correct. Often there have been conflicting lies. It is pointless trying to analyse their comments for any insight. The best approach is to look at past behaviour. One of the telling pieces from Trump 1 was when he was told he needed to call out the Charlottesville rioters for their behaviour. Trump's response was that he coundn't because these were his people. Trump will do whatever he can to support those he considers his people. Trump pardoned Tina Peters, even though he doesn't have the power to do so, and is now pressuring Colorado to release her.

What we will see here is obstruction of any proper investigation by Trump and his administration, a lauding of the ICE agent as an American hero and a demonisation of the dead woman. Trump will ramp up the pressure on Minnesota to call off any investigation.

[bjn]

An eyewitness claims that ICE agents were yelling at Renee Good to “Move! Move! Move!”, which she appeared to be trying to do with the car when they shot her.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 5009383207

[Formerly AvP]

I made myself watch the video a couple of times. I'd categorise it as extra-judicial execution for a parking offence or a moving vehicle violation.

[Stranger Mouse]

I made myself watch the video a couple of times. I'd categorise it as extra-judicial execution for a parking offence or a moving vehicle violation.

New footage here pretty much confirms that. They start it about 3 minutes from the end of this Anderson Cooper clip. It’s grainy but you can see cars going in front and behind her so sh wasn’t blocking the road (indeed in other footage she can be heard shouting that she is pulling out). Now we can see the front of the car it is obvious that she was not running anyone over or trying to.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/acicenewvideo

[Stranger Mouse]

An eyewitness claims that ICE agents were yelling at Renee Good to “Move! Move! Move!”, which she appeared to be trying to do with the car when they shot her.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 5009383207

Apparently different agents were shouting both “stop” AND “move”. A hallmark of many bad shootings is the shouting of contradictory orders.

[Martin Y]

Further to the rules federal agents are supposed to be trained to follow, precisely in order to avoid this kind of thing, it appears this was not this agent's first catastrophic failure to follow procedure in dealing with a person in a car: In a previous incident he got injured by being dragged by a car for some distance.

Of course this is being spun as an experience which justifies his "defending himself" against the violence protesters want to mete out on ICE agents, but in reality it's the opposite. Federal agents are supposed to be trained in safe procedures, which include never reaching into a vehicle, precisely to avoid the risk of being dragged by the vehicle.

After that incident, which seemingly involved his requiring multiple stitches, you might have imagined he would have had his training reassessed to make sure he actually understood the rules. This shooting would seem to indicate that did not happen. He absolutely should not have placed himself in front of her car. He should never have created a situation where he could need to defend himself against her simply driving the car. He should not have used deadly force against a driver, for driving.

When all the foghorns tire of telling everyone how this was the victim's fault, maybe they'll be able to take on board that the shooter created this incident by failing to follow the rules he is supposed to know and be trained to follow.

[IvanV]

When all the foghorns tire of telling everyone how this was the victim's fault, maybe they'll be able to take on board that the shooter created this incident by failing to follow the rules he is supposed to know and be trained to follow.

In today's corrupt USA, where all the relevant agencies are run by extreme Trump loyalists doing his precise bidding, will that happen? I guess the "they" in this case are the FBI. But they are now run by Kash Patel who does Mr Trump's bidding. Unless it somehow becomes abhorrent to enough of MAGA, like Trump refusing to release Epstein files, that Trump needs to throw them a morsel to make it go away, and he U-turns on all that he said about it - consistency was never his strong suit - I don't see that happening.

Which takes me back to the earlier question, why did the senior political figures in Minnesota, like the governor, not call for his arrest. I'm now wondering if that's because it is actually wrong and counterproductive for authorities like that to call for people to be arrested, that would be political interference in justice. So, in contrast to Trump and his henchmen, they were actually demonstrating proper competence and correctness by leaving it to the state justice system to process it.

The local justice authorities, it seems, did try to process it. But the FBI formally took over the investigation, and that prevents the Minnesota authorities from proceeding. I read in a local rag that the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension has reluctantly withdrawn from the investigation. Maybe there will be some court case over the FBI take-over and they'll get it back. But maybe the FBI will have sufficiently ruined the evidence by then, that it won't matter.

[Formerly AvP]

Maybe there will be some court case over the FBI take-over and they'll get it back. But maybe the FBI will have sufficiently ruined the evidence by then, that it won't matter.

I don't think it is a matter of evidence so much - the circumstances are unusually well recorded, including footage from the phone of the killer. I'd say it was more a matter of what are the appropriate charges and how does jurisdiction work.

[Martin Y]

If the FBI are not going to permit state law enforcement to collaborate with their investigation, then it seems likely they will refuse to share whatever evidence they collect. So the state will find its own ability to conduct an investigation obstructed. I wonder if they'll challenge that.

It does seem incredible that the Trump regime appears to be saying Minnesota has no jurisdiction in the investigation of a killing in Minnesota.